New scientist Gregg Braden

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What he is, is a quack. He has no science degree, never published a science paper. What he does is write science sounding fictional ideas that caters to worldviews held by some of the New Age people.

Your post covers too many misleading statements made by the book author. Can you ask a specific question, or point to one book claim for discussion?

Return of "Clan of the Cave Bear".

 

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Human by Design invites you on a journey beyond Darwin’s theory of evolution

What about the modern theory of evolution? And where is 'beyond' the theory of evolution?

the fact that we exist as we do, even more empowered, and more connected with ourselves and the world, than scientists have believed possible.

The words are examined but no meaning is found. What's he talking about? Whatever it is, why doesn't he just say it?

In one of the great ironies of the modern world, the science that was expected to solve life’s mysteries has done just the opposite.

Expected by whom?
What is meant by 'life's mysteries' here?
Done just the opposite of what, exactly?

New discoveries have led to more unanswered questions, created deeper mysteries

When did they not?

and brought us to the brink of forbidden territory when it comes to explaining our origin and existence.

"Forbidden territory"? This is aimed at a mental age of, what, seven?

Fact 1. Our origin—Modern humans appeared suddenly on earth approximately 200,000 years ago, with the advanced brain, nervous system, and capabilities that set them apart from all other known forms of life already developed, rather than having developed slowly and gradually over a long periods of time.

What credible scientist says that?

The sketch looks like this. Genus Homo starts with H habilis 2 mya and shortly H erectus. From H erectus came H heidelbergensis and from them came H neanderthalis and H sapiens. H neaderthalis also led to the Denisovans, who have also interbred with H sap.

How much attention does Gregg pay to the evidence suggesting that the H sap population was lower than 20,000 some 70,000 years ago and under high environmental stress, a situation that would encourage and reward rapid evolution in survival directions, including intelligence?

Fact 2. Missing physical evidence—The relationships shown on the conventional tree of human evolution are speculative connections only. While they are believed to exist, a 150-year search has failed to produce the physical evidence that confirms the relationships shown on the evolutionary family tree.

Now he's talking like a creo. Our study of the descent of H sap is a work in progress. It always will be. It's simply another part of science.

Fact 3. New DNA evidence—The comparison of DNA between ancient Neanderthals, previously thought to be our ancestors, and early humans tells us that we did not descend from the Neanderthals.

This is misinformation. See above.

Fact 4. A rare DNA fusion—Advanced genome analysis reveals that the DNA that sets us apart from other primates, including in our advanced brain and nervous system, is the result of an ancient and precise fusion of genes occurring in a way that suggests something beyond evolution made our humanness possible.

This is getting seriously silly, trying to drum up some woo-woo to sell books to the gullible.

Fact 5. Our extraordinary abilities—We are born with the capacity to self-heal, to self-regulate longevity, to activate an enhanced immune response, and to experience deep intuition, sympathy, empathy, and, ultimately, compassion—and to do each of these on demand.

Mirror neurons, which enable us to be compassionate, are found in birds and have been studied in macaque monkeys. They're very likely in other monkeys not least chimps, and in dogs and many other animals. The 'self-healing' ability is found throughout a huge range of species.

Braden crosses the traditional boundaries of science and spirituality to answer the timeless question at the core of our existence—Who are we?

We're H sap sap. There, now you don't have to buy the book!

and to reveal science-based techniques that awaken our uniquely human experiences of deep intuition, precognition

What does he mean by 'precognition' here? More woo, or just the animal ability to guess usefully at situational outcomes?

Gregg's doing a beat-up, like a thousand other new-agey beat-ups, and plainly that kind of nonsense appeals to enough people to keep Gregg from starving ─ a technique we might call, It's what you do with what you haven't got.

 

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What about the modern theory of evolution? And where is 'beyond' the theory of evolution?
The words are examined but no meaning is found. What's he talking about? Whatever it is, why doesn't he just say it?

Expected by whom?
What is meant by 'life's mysteries' here?
Done just the opposite of what, exactly?
When did they not?
"Forbidden territory"? This is aimed at a mental age of, what, seven?
What credible scientist says that?

The sketch looks like this. Genus Homo starts with H habilis 2 mya and shortly H erectus. From H erectus came H heidelbergensis and from them came H neanderthalis and H sapiens. H neaderthalis also led to the Denisovans, who have also interbred with H sap.

How much attention does Gregg pay to the evidence suggesting that the H sap population was lower than 20,000 some 70,000 years ago and under high environmental stress, a situation that would encourage and reward rapid evolution in survival directions, including intelligence?
Now he's talking like a creo. Our study of the descent of H sap is a work in progress. It always will be. It's simply another part of science.
This is misinformation. See above.
This is getting seriously silly, trying to drum up some woo-woo to sell books to the gullible.
Mirror neurons, which enable us to be compassionate, are found in birds and have been studied in macaque monkeys. They're very likely in other monkeys not least chimps, and in dogs and many other animals. The 'self-healing' ability is found throughout a huge range of species.
We're H sap sap. There, now you don't have to buy the book!
What does he mean by 'precognition' here? More woo, or just the animal ability to guess usefully at situational outcomes?

Gregg's doing a beat-up, like a thousand other new-agey beat-ups, and plainly that kind of nonsense appeals to enough people to keep Gregg from starving ─ a technique we might call, It's what you do with what you haven't got.

How do you suppose psychologists would explain the
attraction of woo woo? Is it as simple as plain laziness?

 

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How do you suppose psychologists would explain the
attraction of woo woo? Is it as simple as plain laziness?

Perhaps the same thought process that make the Dunning Kruger Effect all too real.

What frustrates the heck out of me is that the scientific method is an extraordinarily easy concept to understand. And yet followers of woo and other believers in pseudo sciences simply refuse to even try. One may not have the education to do the math or understand the various laws involved and how they are applied, but one can easily understand how concepts are tested and used to reinforce a theory or hypothesis. Instead they are satisfied with "it looks like it worked for him".

 

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Alright thank you for not posting me too much. I will be back in about 4 hours to look at your responses.

 

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A Great Mystery Is Solved!

Gregg Braden
In laboratory experiments, particles have been documented to be in two places at the same time, to be connected even though they are separated by distances of many miles, to “heal” themselves and even travel in time!
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ecco's guide to spotting woo...

1. Grandiose Claims - "a-great-mystery-is-solved"
2. Twisted Science - particles that “heal” themselves
3. Self Published

The excerpt listed above is entitled ...
Inspirational articles from Hay House authors

So, Gregg Braden's publisher is Hay House. Hay House is self publishing organization. That means if you can't find a publisher, pay Hay House and they will publish your books.

 

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How do you suppose psychologists would explain the
attraction of woo woo? Is it as simple as plain laziness?

I think nearly everyone can have some fun with woo. The problem starts when one takes it seriously. But I guess the less one had a grounding in science, the less one has a place to stand when it comes to getting woo in perspective.

 

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I think nearly everyone can have some fun with woo. The problem starts when one takes it seriously. But I guess the less one had a grounding in science, the less one has a place to stand when it comes to getting woo in perspective.

Woo can be grest fun! I found "Coast to Coast" while croasing Kansas at
night, travdlling from, yes, coast to coast.

I learned the earth is hollow! Great fun. Soo
much better than C and W, or preachin'!

( those who've turned on a radio in kansas know what I
am saying)

 

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Woo can be grest fun! I found "Coast to Coast" while croasing Kansas at
night, travdlling from, yes, coast to coast.

I learned the earth is hollow! Great fun. Soo
much better than C and W, or preachin'!

( those who've turned on a radio in kansas know what I
am saying)

I confess I've never knowingly set foot in Kansas, but my imagination can turn that radio on, no problemo.

 

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I confess I've never knowingly set foot in Kansas, but my imagination can turn that radio on, no problemo.

Been back several times or close anyway, within 37000 ft.

 

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Been back several times or close anyway, within 37000 ft.

On the wings of a snow white dove, perhaps? You've got me trying to recall any flight where I might have looked out the window at Kansas.

 

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Your list of claims - "terrorism, bullying, and hate crimes to the epidemic of drug and alcohol abuse" - are ALL social problems, and have nothing to do with ones’ cells, genes or DNA.

I said they are a result of acceptance of the consequences of Darwinain belief.

 

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What he is, is a quack. He has no science degree, never published a science paper. What he does is write science sounding fictional ideas that caters to worldviews held by some of the New Age people.

Your post covers too many misleading statements made by the book author. Can you ask a specific question, or point to one book claim for discussion?

Yes, I think I have decided on one claim to discuss. Give me a minute.

 

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That list of dissent is a well known Discovery Institute created misleading advertising piece. Nothing more.
A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism - Wikipedia

Alright, for the sake of argument if this is from the Discovery Institute we will throw this out, since I am trying to present a thread untarnished by them.

 

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• Grandiose Claims - "a-great-mystery-is-solved"

• Twisted Science - particles that “heal” themselves

• Self Published

The weak things of the earth can tear down the strong. He can make a grandiose claim and we can debate about it. Not self-healing particles but organs. He believes in the ability to heal your organs which he demonstrated with himself. Since he is spiritual as well as scientific, scientific publication would not be appropriate.

Now to one scientific claim in the book that we can examine.

 

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I said they are a result of acceptance of the consequences of Darwinain belief.

And I could say that they are the result of acceptance of the consequences of the religion of your choice. That does not make it a fact.

For example according to the Christian belief (if one goes by the Bible) gays are to be killed if caught in the act. So if one is a Christian and accepts the Bible does that mean automatically that they will attack gay people? And don't give me any 'but that's the Old Testament nonsense'. I can quote where Jesus said that the Old Testament laws are still in effect and will be until "the end".

 

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The weak things of the earth can tear down the strong. He can make a grandiose claim and we can debate about it. Not self-healing particles but organs. He believes in the ability to heal your organs which he demonstrated with himself. Since he is spiritual as well as scientific, scientific publication would not be appropriate.

Now to one scientific claim in the book that we can examine.

Wrong, he claimed to be able to do that with himself. He did not provide any evidence that he did so. I can claim that people can fly by flapping their arms and claim that I have done so myself. That does not mean that I can or that others can.

 

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Can you ask a specific question, or point to one book claim for discussion?

OK they found an "infant - a baby girl that lived about 30,000 years ago! For reference the last ice age ended about 20,000 years ago." (She was very well preserved well in ice)

"WIlliam Goodwin, Ph.D. from the University of Glasgow commented, "It is something of a mystery how this child's remains were so perfectly preserved.... Normally you only get material with this degree of preservation in material from permafrost areas." Source: William Goodwin. "Rare Tests on Neanderthal Infant Sheds Light on Early Human Development," Science News (April 4, 2000). Available at Rare Tests On Neanderthal Infant Sheds Light On Early Human Development .

(They examined her Mitochondrial DNA)

"The results of the first studies were published in obscure scientific journals, which concluded, according to the Smithsonian Institution, that "the Neanderthal mtDNA sequences were substantially different from human mtDNA." (She was a Neanderthal). Source: "What Does It Mean to Be Human? Neanderthal Mitochondrial DNA," Smithsonian Institution, National Museum of Natural History website (accessed January 30, 2017). Available at: http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence...nd-neanderthals/neanderthal-mitochondrial-dna.

The conclusion that Neanderthals where not human predecessors according to mtDNA was published in Nature.

"The conclusion of their report was shared in the peer-reviewed journal Nature and directly stated that modern humans "were not, in fact, descended from Neanderthals." Source: Igor V. Ovchinnikov, Anders Gotherstrom, Galina P. Romanova, VItaly M. Kharitonov, Kerstin Liden, and William Goodwin. "Molecular Analysis of Neanderthal DNA from the Northen Caucasus," Nature, vol. 404 (2000), pp. 490-493. Available at: Molecular analysis of Neanderthal DNA from the northern Caucasus.

 

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And I could say that they are the result of acceptance of the consequences of the religion of your choice. That does not make it a fact.

For example according to the Christian belief (if one goes by the Bible) gays are to be killed if caught in the act. So if one is a Christian and accepts the Bible does that mean automatically that they will attack gay people? And don't give me any 'but that's the Old Testament nonsense'. I can quote where Jesus said that the Old Testament laws are still in effect and will be until "the end".

And if you had read my posts that is exactly what Gregg Braden is saying. He said that thinking we're bad people from Adam and Eve is just as bad as from Darwin. His book is about looking for evidence that will help us handle this 'ultra-modern' (my words) life we live in.

 

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And if you had read my posts that is exactly what Gregg Braden is saying. He said that thinking we're bad people from Adam and Eve is just as bad as from Darwin. His book is about looking for evidence that will help us handle this 'ultra-modern' (my words) life we live in.

I do not care what Baden has to say at all. When it comes to the theory of evolution he proved that he has no clue.