New scientist Gregg Braden

[robocop (actually)]

Wrong, he claimed to be able to do that with himself. He did not provide any evidence that he did so. I can claim that people can fly by flapping their arms and claim that I have done so myself. That does not mean that I can or that others can.

He says, "As a trained scientist, I cannot say to you that the practices, techniques, and lifestyle changes I adopted during those two weeks were the reason the medical team found nothing to remove the day of my surgery. What I can say is that new scientific discoveries have identified a link between specific healing modalities known in the past and their ability to restore balance in our bodies.

 

[robocop (actually)]

OK guys, I'm looking at a free chess lesson for an hour and a half. Be back later.

 

[Subduction Zone]

OK they found an "infant - a baby girl that lived about 30,000 years ago! For reference the last ice age ended about 20,000 years ago." (She was very well preserved well in ice)

"WIlliam Goodwin, Ph.D. from the University of Glasgow commented, "It is something of a mystery how this child's remains were so perfectly preserved.... Normally you only get material with this degree of preservation in material from permafrost areas." Source: William Goodwin. "Rare Tests on Neanderthal Infant Sheds Light on Early Human Development," Science News (April 4, 2000). Available at Rare Tests On Neanderthal Infant Sheds Light On Early Human Development .

(They examined her Mitochondrial DNA)

"The results of the first studies were published in obscure scientific journals, which concluded, according to the Smithsonian Institution, that "the Neanderthal mtDNA sequences were substantially different from human mtDNA." (She was a Neanderthal). Source: "What Does It Mean to Be Human? Neanderthal Mitochondrial DNA," Smithsonian Institution, National Museum of Natural History website (accessed January 30, 2017). Available at: http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence...nd-neanderthals/neanderthal-mitochondrial-dna.

The conclusion that Neanderthals where not human predecessors according to mtDNA was published in Nature.

"The conclusion of their report was shared in the peer-reviewed journal Nature and directly stated that modern humans "were not, in fact, descended from Neanderthals." Source: Igor V. Ovchinnikov, Anders Gotherstrom, Galina P. Romanova, VItaly M. Kharitonov, Kerstin Liden, and William Goodwin. "Molecular Analysis of Neanderthal DNA from the Northen Caucasus," Nature, vol. 404 (2000), pp. 490-493. Available at: Molecular analysis of Neanderthal DNA from the northern Caucasus.

That conclusion was drawn long before that article was written. That is merely more confirming evidence of the belief that Neanderthal was a brother species, not an ancestral one.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He says, "As a trained scientist, I cannot say to you that the practices, techniques, and lifestyle changes I adopted during those two weeks were the reason the medical team found nothing to remove the day of my surgery. What I can say is that new scientific discoveries have identified a link between specific healing modalities known in the past and their ability to restore balance in our bodies.

He is not a "trained scientist", he appears to be more of a technician from his work before getting into woo. If someone has not published in peer reviewed journals calling oneself a "trained scientist" is a bit of a stretch.

And as you see, he only claimed that he was ill and that he got better. Such claims are worthless without corroborating evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

OK guys, I'm looking at a free chess lesson for an hour and a half. Be back later.

Have fun. I used to play a bit. Now I have a set or two. Actually I have my Dad's politically incorrect set that I cannot legally sell. I don't play with that one.

 

[robocop (actually)]

That conclusion was drawn long before that article was written. That is merely more confirming evidence of the belief that Neanderthal was a brother species, not an ancestral one.

Will have to check that out.

He is not a "trained scientist", he appears to be more of a technician from his work before getting into woo. If someone has not published in peer reviewed journals calling oneself a "trained scientist" is a bit of a stretch.

And as you see, he only claimed that he was ill and that he got better. Such claims are worthless without corroborating evidence.

Again, you seem to have not read the post. The only thing he claimed was scientific is that new light shows ancient cultures to have had healing techniques.


Also Subduction Zone, if you don't want to talk about it please don't. I will get enough posts on this thread as is.

 

[Audie]

On the wings of a snow white dove, perhaps? You've got me trying to recall any flight where I might have looked out the window at Kansas.

Well, whatever, oklahoma or wisconsin or something,
Fly-over is for flying over. You go check from up
close, what the road signs say.

 

[Audie]

Will have to check that out.

Again, you seem to have not read the post. The only thing he claimed was scientific is that new light shows ancient cultures to have had healing techniques.

"New"? Like that is news? News of the obvious
and extremely well known isn't , you know, news
as such.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Will have to check that out.

Again, you seem to have not read the post. The only thing he claimed was scientific is that new light shows ancient cultures to have had healing techniques.


Also Subduction Zone, if you don't want to talk about it please don't. I will get enough posts on this thread as is.

Please, nothing that Braden has claimed has been "scientific". If it was he could present evidence. Science is evidence based, if one does not have evidence a claim can hardly be said to be "scientific". You give too much credence to claims and totally ignore the lack of evidence.

 

[robocop (actually)]

That conclusion was drawn long before that article was written. That is merely more confirming evidence of the belief that Neanderthal was a brother species, not an ancestral one.

You're right. 0-1 in your favor.

However as far as what he said about finding good paradigms for the mind so that we live better as a modern species, I find no fault with this man.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You're right. 0-1 in your favor.

However as far as what he said about finding good paradigms for the mind so that we live better as a modern species, I find no fault with this man.

Wrapping his beliefs in woo woo takes away from his credibility.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Wrapping his beliefs in woo woo takes away from his credibility.

Not at all... there is plenty of philosophical, scientific and religious content. Everyone can make their own masterpiece.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not at all... there is plenty of philosophical, scientific and religious content. Everyone can make their own masterpiece.

I did not see any scientific content. Once again, science is evidence based. Maybe sciency content, but that is not a good term.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I did not see any scientific content. Once again, science is evidence based. Maybe sciency content, but that is not a good term.

You misunderstood me the third time, but perhaps it is my fault this time. I meant that everybody can do art, philosophy, science, religion, politics, etc... in their own vein. This is the beauty of religiousforums. We represent the views of the whole earth and have much to give each other. Not everyone will matter, and some people we discuss are more skilled than others just like we ourselves are some more skilled than others, but we each have something to say.

When I said there is plenty of philosophical, scientific and religious content, I meant there is a huge field to sow on for everyone to make their own distinct frequencies.

 

[gnostic]

However as far as what he said about finding good paradigms for the mind so that we live better as a modern species, I find no fault with this man.

Again, the theory of evolution is purely biology, not social.

It has nothing to do with how we live our lives and careers chosen, nothing to do with with culture, customs, personal opinions, personal belief, religion, etc.

Evolution has nothing to do with being happy, sad, angry or any other emotions.

All of these are irrelevant to evolution, because you cannot pass all of these to population of descendants through your genes and DNA.

Judging by what you have said about Gregg Braden, he is not a scientist, and he is certainly not well-educated in biology and a lot of what you say about his so-called brilliant insights on evolution, are clearly outdated, as many here have already pointed out to you...which also make your own understanding on evolution, archaic and outdated.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Again, the theory of evolution is purely biology, not social.

It has nothing to do with how we live our lives and careers chosen, nothing to do with with culture, customs, personal opinions, personal belief, religion, etc.

Evolution has nothing to do with being happy, sad, angry or any other emotions.

All of these are irrelevant to evolution, because you cannot pass all of these to population of descendants through your genes and DNA.

Evolution certainly doesn't affect these things... it is just a biological thing.

However the beliefs we pass on to our kids affect how we act as a society. So not evolution itself but the belief in evolution affects what we do. Just like a belief in Islam gives rise to Terrorism whether or not what Islam is about causes any of that.

I hope that wasn't offensive... just trying to make a point.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Interestingly, maybe I don't concede the point about the well-preserved Neanderthal. I will look when I have a chance but I think what Gregg Braden was trying to say was that based on skulls or something people believed humans descended from Neanderthals and they had to concede that point.

Or am I just shooting myself in the foot?

 

[gnostic]

Evolution certainly doesn't affect these things... it is just a biological thing.

However the beliefs we pass on to our kids affect how we act as a society. So not evolution itself but the belief in evolution affects what we do. Just like a belief in Islam gives rise to Terrorism whether or not what Islam is about causes any of that.

The advances in biology wouldn’t be possible without understanding evolution. Evolution used the same models as that in genetic studies, but expand it further to include biodiversity through natural selection, genetic drift and mutation (there are 2 more other evolutionary mechanics).

On social matters, evolution has very little impact on people’s day-to-day life, not unless you in occupation in medicine, in studies of animals or plant life, or in palaeontology.

The biggest problem is people have a misleading concept of evolution, just as your Gregg Braden, as well of versions of creationisms and those lying idiots from Discovery Institute.

Braden reminds me of those idiots from DI.

 

[robocop (actually)]

The advances in biology wouldn’t be possible without understanding evolution. Evolution used the same models as that in genetic studies, but expand it further to include biodiversity through natural selection, genetic drift and mutation (there are 2 more other evolutionary mechanics).

On social matters, evolution has very little impact on people’s day-to-day life, not unless you in occupation in medicine, in studies of animals or plant life, or in palaeontology.

The biggest problem is people have a misleading concept of evolution, just as your Gregg Braden, as well of versions of creationisms and those lying idiots from Discovery Institute.

Braden reminds me of those idiots from DI.

Oh sure. It's just a huge contention over whether or not people are religious and leads to a pecking order in society. Everyone wants to be #1 and not everyone can, so they all get sick. (going to bed)

 

[blü 2]

"New"? Like that is news? News of the obvious
and extremely well known isn't , you know, news
as such.

Silly me! I forgot to click my heels!