New strike on Syria without congressional approval.

[Twilight Hue]

Trump was the one telling Obama not to do it. That it's a futile gesture that will cost more than it gains, and distracts from domestic issues. I think he was right. I just wish he would have taken his own advice.

Well you have to take into account that Trump wasn't president and still a civilian and wasn't privy to information that Obama had during that time.

Like most of us here on the forum, Trump likely just shot off at the hip what he felt and thought about it. Unfortunately at our level we're here at the mercy of media sensationalism and bar room political talk in attempts to extrapolate what's really going on.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Can you give a reference for that?

Well it's evidence, since Congress has of yet to say anything, seeing it's been a week, since Assad of Syria used chemical weapons on the people of Syria.

So if Trump was not within his Constitutional rights as President, Congress would said something during the whole week, of knowing President Trump was going to do something.

Therefore President Trump was within his Constitutional rights.seeing how the Pentagon back President.

Therefore you have the Pentagon and Congress backing President Trump.

 

[Faithofchristian]

No evidence the buildings bombed contained chemical weapons agents or that any damage was done to Assad's chemical weapons stores.

So you know more than the professionals and experts know, maybe you should let them know, that your more of a professional and a expert on things than they are with all their technology.

It's amazing how people can profess to know more than professionals knows with all their technology.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Well you have to take into account that Trump wasn't president and still a civilian and wasn't privy to information that Obama had during that time.

Like most of us here on the forum, Trump likely just shot off at the hip what he felt and thought about it. Unfortunately at our level we're here at the mercy of media sensationalism and bar room political talk in attempts to extrapolate what's really going on.

I can't do the 'trust in the Lord, he knows the best' sort of look at our governance much in light of the continuing proponderences of messes. Shooting off at the hip seems like a perfect summarization of the US' role in the Syrian conflict and the ME at large thus far.
And the 180 gives me less and less and less reason to trust Trump with pretty much anything.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Well you have to take into account that Trump wasn't president and still a civilian and wasn't privy to information that Obama had during that time.

Like most of us here on the forum, Trump likely just shot off at the hip what he felt and thought about it. Unfortunately at our level we're here at the mercy of media sensationalism and bar room political talk in attempts to extrapolate what's really going on.

All you got is some lame exuse. Obama and John Kerry should haved done something instead of just drawing some stupid line in the dirt, that Assad just kept walking over, Obama wasn't nothing but a weak back, had no back bone to stand up.
Obama did nothing but show his weakness.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

So you know more than the professionals and experts know, maybe you should let them know, that your more of a professional and a expert on things than they are with all their technology.

It's amazing how people can profess to know more than professionals knows with all their technology.

I've already referenced professionals saying much the same thing throughout the thread. Including the Pentagon itself with McKenzie in the joint staff press briefing saying 'either nobody was there that evening or the place was abandoned'.
I don't place blind faith in the words of government officials. Do you?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

All you got is some lame exuse. Obama and John Kerry should haved done something instead of just drawing some stupid line in the dirt, that Assad just kept walking over, Obama wasn't nothing but a weak back, had no back bone to stand up.
Obama did nothing but show his weakness.

Now I think you might have some reading comprehension issues if that's what you got out of @Nowhere Man's post.

 

[Faithofchristian]

No evidence the buildings bombed contained chemical weapons agents or that any damage was done to Assad's chemical weapons stores.

I guess you come up with your own analogy, So how do you come with your analogy that buildings bomb had no chemical weapons.

The most important thing is, that Assad got the message that his killing people will not go unpunished.

It seems your more worried about whether or not buildings got bomb, than the prevention of lives, because of the bombings.
If Syria had not been bomb, Assad would haved taken it, that no one's going to do anything about it, so Assad would have just kept going killing people.

Assad seeing that Russia is not going to be any help. It may make Assad to rethink himself.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What will we get from bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Trump needs congressional approval.

Link: Trump Orders Strikes on Syria Over Suspected Chemical Weapons Attack

Defense contractors and their shareholders will rake in the cash and, if Assad does fall and a Western puppet government is installed, Syria will be opened up to corporations. So the average person will get nothing but rich people will get even richer. War and "regime change" is ultimately about money these days. It's cute how the Trump supporters thought a greedy billionaire would be any different in that regard.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

Captain Adulsalam Abdulrazek, the defector who turned over 50 warehouse sites from the chemical weapons manufacture of Assad, thinks this doesn't even make a dent. If this is a political gesture, seems to be as anemic as the one made after the Sarin attacks we bombed previously for.

I think this has much more to do with other background politics of the US and UK (May and the Tory issues) and Russia than anything to do with effectively countering Assad's chemical weapon manufacture.

This defector could have been a plant giving up fake sites protecting the real sites.
I don't know were the line should be drawn for intervention but we can't continue trying to police the world and being everyones hero.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Time will tell if that goal was achieved.

Does destroying a nest get rid of wasps and prevent them from building another?

 

[Faithofchristian]

This defector could have been a plant giving up fake sites protecting the real sites.
I don't know were the line should be drawn for intervention but we can't continue trying to police the world and being everyones hero.

No but if we don't, it could happen at our doors step, then what, better to stop it before it comes here.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Bottom line is I have mixed feelings about the way warfare is conducted, but I side more toward keeping rogue countries militarily placated.

That doesn't happen though. It would be nice if it could, but we've seen it time and time and time again that things get worse and worse. They tried for years to placate Iraq and Saddam's Baath party, but the remnants made something so far worse that we really should have just left Saddam alone.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This defector could have been a plant giving up fake sites protecting the real sites.
I don't know were the line should be drawn for intervention but we can't continue trying to police the world and being everyones hero.

He could have been. That is why the military usually gets claims. That he is still respected indicates otherwise.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

No but if we don't, it could happen at our doors step, then what, better to stop it before it comes here.

We are $20 trillion in debt trying to aid and police the world. We keep it up the world will own us.
You take care of your own first. We have homeless starving people(men, women, kids, vets) here we need to take care of.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So what do you think should be the response to Assad using chemical weapons against civilians then? Perhaps a sternly worded letter of outrage?

Unfortunately there isn't really much we can do. Though well intentioned, such actions are notoriously prone to creating power vacuums that are filled by someone far worse. And then there is also the fact we have to be concerned about Western nations being attacked, especially Europe.
Making better allies and shedding those we shouldn't be allied with is about all we can do.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

He could have been. That is why the military usually gets claims. That he is still respected indicates otherwise.

So is every undercover cop and snitch. That's the whole ploy of it all.

 

[Faithofchristian]

We are $20 trillion in debt trying to aid and police the world. We keep it up the world will own us.
You take care of your own first. We have homeless starving people(men, women, kids, vets) here we need to take care of.

That's right, only if the Liberal democrats understood that, seeing how they were in power for 8 years. And did nothing but have open borders to let more Illegal immigrants in.

That's why Trump putting up a border wall, so that we can take care of our own people first, and fix our country first.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Common Sense would tell you, that since United States, France and Britain bomb Syria, saved lives.

If you think bombing stuff saving lives is "common sense", you haven't spent as much time around bombs as I have. A simple "no I don't have any evidence for my ridiculous claim about saving lives" would have been perfectly adequate.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

So you know more than the professionals and experts know, maybe you should let them know, that your more of a professional and a expert on things than they are with all their technology.

It's amazing how people can profess to know more than professionals knows with all their technology.

Um, what have any professionals or experts said that contradicts @ADigitalArtist ? Anything? Or is this another of those evidence free claims?