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No Self-Hating Name as "Indigenous Persons Day" - Keep Columbus Day

What is the proper name for the second Monday in October?

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SalixIncendium

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
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Shadow Wolf said:
There's just no good reason for there to be a Columbus Day.
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Nope. Yet here it is...on my calendar...along with Indigenous Peoples' Day...

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Hopefully Congress and the calendar people are reading this thread so we can get it removed.

But then a lot of you will have to work Monday, because Indigenous Peoples' Day isn't a Federal Holiday. :sweat:
 
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jbg

jbg

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Shadow Wolf said:
Huh. I didn't get that far in the OP. He's obviously not read anything about them because their cultures were very fascinating and intriguing. Like how the Mayans played a sport similar to modern soccer/football (to the nonAmericans).
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What about cenote-toss?
 
SalixIncendium

SalixIncendium

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Augustus

Augustus

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JustGeorge said:
Its kinda like celebrating a successful robbery...

"Yeah, we took some stuff, and we did some things wrong, but hey, look where we are now! Party it up, man!"

It seems super condescending, in my opinion.
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I'm not American so I have no particular attachment to Columbus Day, tbh I didn't even know it existed until they talked about it in the Sopranos, turning it into Indigenous People's Day seems pretty condescending too imo.

"We took some stuff and have no intention of letting you have it back, but it makes us feel better if we commemorate the fact you used to own it. We might even look at the ways you could be considered better owners, but ultimately, we still think we are the rightful owners so we are not giving it back."

America exists, and most Americans are happy it exists. It has provided a better life for millions of people from all over the world.

Many people benefitted from its founding and development, many people suffered.

For me, I would keep both names to show this contradiction, and accept that all of us living today only do so because certain things happened in the past that our ancestors benefitted from while others suffered.
 
Rival

Rival

Diex Aie
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Augustus said:
I'm not American so I have no particular attachment to Columbus Day, tbh I didn't even know it existed until they talked about it in the Sopranos, turning it into Indigenous People's Day seems pretty condescending too imo.

"We took some stuff and have no intention of letting you have it back, but it makes us feel better if we commemorate the fact you used to own it. We might even look at the ways you could be considered better owners, but ultimately, we still think we are the rightful owners so we are not giving it back."

America exists, and most Americans are happy it exists. It has provided a better life for millions of people from all over the world.

Many people benefitted from its founding and development, many people suffered.

For me, I would keep both names to show this contradiction, and accept that all of us living today only do so because certain things happened in the past that our ancestors benefitted from while others suffered.
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It's rather worse when you consider that gays get a whole month......

It seems pretty damn insensitive by that measure to give the indigenous people 1 day.
 
Viker

Viker

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jbg said:
Last Sunday, I was talking to a few of my friends, and mentioned stuff that happened over a previous Columbus Day Weekend. Someone "corrected" me, saying it is "Indigenous Persons Day." I snapped at him, saying, "I am sick and tired of being told we're bad people, that we don't belong here." I feel that there have been many movement of peoples around the earth, and the primitive people almost always lose the argument.

I also feel that smallpox, diphtheria and typhoid, originally spread by de Soto's horses left being, deserve a large share of the blame. The book 1491: The Americas Before Columbus by Charles C. Mann posits that horses and rats were that vector and suggests that much of North America's Native American population was reduced by 90% to 98% by the spread of those diseases. In other words the migrant European population found far fewer Native Americans than had existed half a century before. If the native population was dense enough to have the famous major Aztec, Mayan and Inca cities and in the Midwest cities such as Cahokia, there was enough population to support transmission of highly contagious diseases.

It's a given that Africa and Asia largely held European invaders at bay; the Americas' and Australia's did not. European presence and penetration in Africa and Asia, on the same landmass, was quite minor, like likely because the population was dense and its leadership relatively intact. Smallpox, diphtheria and typhoid raced through the native populations in the Americas, Australia and New Zealand. In addition to the numbers killed, their leadership was decapitated, resulting in disorganization. I would like the shamers of relatively advanced Europeans to at least be honest.

We have the right to be here, and we are imperfect, but good. The Aztecs and Mayas were nothing to write home about.
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I voted for Indigenous Persons Day.

No one is saying that whites or descendants of Europeans are "bad people". The only way a person could come to a conclusion like that is to know the truth of history and feel a little like crap. Columbus and his cohorts were bad people. Columbus doesn't deserve any recognition from modernity. He only brought pain, suffering and exploitation to this part of the world. We just so happen to inherit and inhabit this side of the world. We should only recognize the victims, not the "victors".

Although the Aztecs and Maya weren't perfect, they were obviously the lesser of evils.
 
The Hammer

The Hammer

Skald
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Augustus said:
I'm not American so I have no particular attachment to Columbus Day, tbh I didn't even know it existed until they talked about it in the Sopranos, turning it into Indigenous People's Day seems pretty condescending too imo.

"We took some stuff and have no intention of letting you have it back, but it makes us feel better if we commemorate the fact you used to own it. We might even look at the ways you could be considered better owners, but ultimately, we still think we are the rightful owners so we are not giving it back."

America exists, and most Americans are happy it exists. It has provided a better life for millions of people from all over the world.

Many people benefitted from its founding and development, many people suffered.

For me, I would keep both names to show this contradiction, and accept that all of us living today only do so because certain things happened in the past that our ancestors benefitted from while others suffered.
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The indigenous peoples I've worked with want IPD. It's not meant as a panacea, but as a step forward in the right direction.
 
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