No -- There is No Fraud at All!

[Kenny]

Generally speaking, so many people say that fraud isn't prevalent... as if in the United States there is nothing but saints all over doing great things.

Texas Social Worker Charged With 134 Counts Involving Election Fraud -

Texas Social Worker Charged With 134 Counts Involving Election Fraud

"Brunner allegedly submitted voter registration applications for 67 residents without their signature or effective consent, while purporting to act as their agent."

She was a Democrat but there are Republican fraudsters too

Republican Pleads Guilty To Attempted Election Fraud With Mail In Ballots

Do you think fraud is more prevalent than we think?

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I think you could be twisting people's positions. No one said "The vote count cannot be off even 100, or 1000, or 2000, votes." I think they were saying "There is no proof of widespread voter fraud which could overturn the results of the election."

 

[Harel13]

"There is no proof of widespread voter fraud which could overturn the results of the election."

I suppose we'll all just have to wait and see.

 

[Kenny]

I think you could be twisting people's positions. No one said "The vote count cannot be off even 100, or 1000, or 2000, votes." I think they were saying "There is no proof of widespread voter fraud which could overturn the results of the election."

Don't you think there is the 10% visible iceberg effect of 90% that isn't uncovered?

 

[Ratt Blastard]

Somehow a couple of citations of two people committing fraud makes you think that the whole damn country is doing it?

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I suppose we'll all just have to wait and see.

Maybe, but it might kind of be the wrong approach. Rather than looking at the evidence and making a conclusion, making a conclusion as a premise and then looking at the evidence... ends up leading to a lot of bad premises and conclusions.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Don't you think there is the 10% visible iceberg effect of 90% that isn't uncovered?

Not really.

 

[suncowiam]

Generally speaking, so many people say that fraud isn't prevalent... as if in the United States there is nothing but saints all over doing great things.

Texas Social Worker Charged With 134 Counts Involving Election Fraud -

Texas Social Worker Charged With 134 Counts Involving Election Fraud

"Brunner allegedly submitted voter registration applications for 67 residents without their signature or effective consent, while purporting to act as their agent."

She was a Democrat but there are Republican fraudsters too

Republican Pleads Guilty To Attempted Election Fraud With Mail In Ballots

Do you think fraud is more prevalent than we think?

I think there is fraud but not on the scale to influence the election. You have to account for error in any form of measurement and this is why states allow for a recount within a specific margins. It's not just fraud but it could be errors on machines and people. And again, we form a basis of error and margins to ensure that the final results are still conclusive.

Trump should be able to present evidence that the accepted margins and errors were deemed insufficient by fraud on a higher scale. I have no issues with the court cases but there should be evidence presented.

 

[Kenny]

I think there is fraud but not on the scale to influence the election. You have to account for error in any form of measurement and this is states allow for a recount. It's not just fraud but it could be errors on machines and people. And again, we form a basis to error and margins to ensure that the final results are still conclusive.

Trump should be able to present evidence that the accepted margins and errors were greatly influenced by fraud on a higher scale. I have not issues with the court cases but there should be evidence presented.

Agreed.

 

[Harel13]

making a conclusion as a premise and then looking at the evidence... ends up leading to a lot of bad premises and conclusions.

You assume that that is what happened. I don't think that that's what happened.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Generally speaking, so many people say that fraud isn't prevalent... as if in the United States there is nothing but saints all over doing great things.

Texas Social Worker Charged With 134 Counts Involving Election Fraud -

Texas Social Worker Charged With 134 Counts Involving Election Fraud

"Brunner allegedly submitted voter registration applications for 67 residents without their signature or effective consent, while purporting to act as their agent."

She was a Democrat but there are Republican fraudsters too

Republican Pleads Guilty To Attempted Election Fraud With Mail In Ballots

Do you think fraud is more prevalent than we think?

Congratulations on finding a Democrat that appears to have committed voter fraud. In the past all the Republicans could point to were cases of Republican voter fraud. But look at what the prosecuting attorney says::

“I strongly commend the Limestone County District Attorney’s Office, Sheriff’s Office, and Elections Office, as well as the Department of Health and Human Services Office of the Inspector General for their outstanding work on this case and their commitment to ensuring a free and fair Presidential election in the face of unprecedented voter fraud,” said Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton.

One case, that involved 134 votes, is "unprecedented". Now this might change a very minor local election, but on a state or national level not so much.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Agreed.

Then please quit posting piddling little accounts and suppositions. There is no evidence that I have seen of anything approaching systematic corruption.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

You assume that that is what happened. I don't think that that's what happened.

Maybe. There's just no simple, straightforward, convincing way of saying "The system declared Biden a winner and even if it is on shaky grounds, it will be impossible to overturn in America. It will take half a billion dollars and conclusive evidence showing that it wasn't just an even count even after voter fraud. And I don't believe Trump will be able to raise anywhere close to enough to fight this."

But that's just my opinion.

 

[Heyo]

Do you think fraud is more prevalent than we think?

Probably not but now is a good time to look into it and eliminate all possible fraud where it is doable.
Trump has ruined the faith in the voting process by his unfounded allegations. It hurts democracy. Reviewing all the processes could help restore faith in democracy.

 

[Kenny]

Maybe. There's just no simple, straightforward, convincing way of saying "The system declared Biden a winner and even if it is on shaky grounds, it will be impossible to overturn in America. It will take half a billion dollars and conclusive evidence showing that it wasn't just an even count even after voter fraud. And I don't believe Trump will be able to raise anywhere close to enough to fight this."

But that's just my opinion.

I believe he is going to the Supreme Court today at 5pm

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I believe he is going to the Supreme Court today at 5pm

Proof?

 

[Kenny]

Proof?

i could be wrong. It might be a spoof communication.

 

[Heyo]

Proof?

He hasn't have to have proof, he said he believes. You can't proof your belief.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

He hasn't have to have proof, he said he believes. You can't proof your belief.

Well in that case...

I believe Trump is telling lies to get a shoestring budget together through donations to try to do a gut check against Biden's extensive legal team.

 

[Salty Booger]

Do you think fraud is more prevalent than we think?

After years of being told that the 2016 election was hacked by Russia in favor of Trump, I can only conclude that Mexico is somehow responsible for hacking the 2020 election for Biden.