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[Ignatius A]

Didn't say I was offended, chum. Just pointing out the simple fact that facts are different to opinions. Sorry you're so offended when you're told your subjective opinion is a subjective opinion.


So you acknowledge that there are some ways, and some circumstances, in which a shark is superior to a human, therefore the assessment is contextual and subjective.

Congratulations.

But the fact is humans are superior to sharks and all animals.

Where did I say otherwise? Either post where I made such a claim or withdraw your comment. Because a shark is a superior swimmer that doesn't mean sharks superior to humans. Some people suggest these irrelevant half though-out arguments as if they have some actual bearing on the topic.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Then why isnt my dog offended when I call him stupid?

Oh ok so you are superior to your dog. Great.

He'll be offended and ashamed if you treat him like he's stupid.

I don't know why you're obsessing over superiority here though.

 

[Ignatius A]

He'll be offended and ashamed if you treat him like he's stupid.

I don't know why you're obsessing over superiority here though.

Lmbo if he isnt offended by my calling him stupid, treating him like he is isnt likely to work either. Ashamed? Lol

I'm not. We are still talking about it because people here seem to have a real problem with the fact that humans are superior to animals as well as with stating that fact apparently. Why are you so insistent that we aren't?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Why are you limiting it to mammals? Why not just animals in general? You know, spiders, fleas, snakes, flies, all those uncute animals that we're so much like (not).

I think you answered your own question.

 

[Secret Chief]

people here seem to have a real problem with the fact that humans are superior to animals as well as with stating that fact apparently.

The "problem" is that some people disagree with your subjective opinion, which you state as a fact.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

But the fact is humans are superior to sharks and all animals.

Nope, that's an opinion. You really don't know the difference?

Where did I say otherwise? Either post where I made such a claim or withdraw your comment. Because a shark is a superior swimmer that doesn't mean sharks superior to humans.

Except at swimming. Ergo, in that context, sharks are superior.

Some people suggest these irrelevant half though-out arguments as if they have some actual bearing on the topic.

At least a half-thought out argument is better than your arguments which involve absolutely zero thought whatsoever.

"Statement."
"Refutation of statement."
"Repeat statement."
"Repeat refutation."
"Repeat statement."

Yep. Your arguments are incredibly intellectually challenging and well thought-through.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Sorry, doesn't say anything about a mind, which is what I am discussing.

The poster you're responding to is also talking about a mind.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Same here. I mean, flies? Fleas? Spiders? Snakes? Rats? LOL give me a break.

Who here on this thread has said that? Where?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Humans are then superior animal with the capacity to kill every other animal. The fact we have to capacity to overcome our "limitations" makes humans superior. I'm sorry that offends you and your dog but I can't help that

You're just repeating yourself again.

Try addressing the points and facts put before you. For once.

 

[Kathryn]

Who here on this thread has said that? Where?

So where do you draw the line? What about rats? What about mice? What about uncute mammals like bats? What about non mammals like birds?

 

[SalixIncendium]

For anyone who hasn't read the last 35 or so pages of the thread, here's a recap to save you some time...

"Humans are superior to animals."
"No they are not, and this is why. Here's some evidence to support this."
"Humans are superior to animals."
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"Humans are superior to animals."
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"Humans are superior to animals."
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"Humans are superior to animals."
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"Humans are superior to animals."
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"Humans are superior to animals."
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"Humans are superior to animals."
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"No they are not, and this is why. Here's some evidence to support this."
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"Humans are superior to animals."
"No they are not, and this is why. Here's some evidence to support this."
"Humans are superior to animals."
"No they are not, and this is why. Here's some evidence to support this."
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"No they are not, and this is why. Here's some evidence to support this."
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"Humans are superior to animals."
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"No they are not, and this is why. Here's some evidence to support this."
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"Humans are superior to animals."
"No they are not, and this is why. Here's some evidence to support this."
"Humans are superior to animals."
"No they are not, and this is why. Here's some evidence to support this."
"Humans are superior to animals."
"No they are not, and this is why. Here's some evidence to support this."
"Humans are superior to animals."
"No they are not, and this is why. Here's some evidence to support this."
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You're welcome.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I know all too well how cognition and emotions work. You function on emotion I function on cognition. I agree. Functioning on emotions can cause great harm. Look at someone like hitler. It shows us how harmful it is to function on anger and hatred.

You've not demonstrated that you know how cognition and emotion work at all. Quite the opposite.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

So where do you draw the line? What about rats? What about mice? What about uncute mammals like bats? What about non mammals like birds?

Here is the problem. If it involves somebody drawaing a line, it is subjective and not a fact.
As such you don't actually agree with @Ignatius A

As for th line, I once here the argument in regards to the line as this. Any life not lethal(i.e. not plague and such) to humans should as minimum have rights on the level of the species. A type of grass has the right to be that kind of grass on the level of it being a species.

 

[Ignatius A]

You've not demonstrated that you know how cognition and emotion work at all. Quite the opposite.

Sure have.

 

[Ignatius A]

Here is the problem. If it involves somebody drawaing a line, it is subjective and not a fact.
As such you don't actually agree with @Ignatius A

As for th line, I once here the argument in regards to the line as this. Any life not lethal(i.e. not plague and such) to humans should as minimum have rights on the level of the species. A type of grass has the right to be that kind of grass on the level of it being a species.

Humans are superior to animals. No one has shown otherwise and cannot show otherwise.

 

[Secret Chief]

What about non mammals like birds?

What about them?

"The corvids (ravens, crows, jays, magpies, etc.) and psittacines (parrots, macaws, and cockatoos) are often considered the most intelligent birds, and are among the most intelligent animals in general."
- Bird intelligence - Wikipedia

Are they among the most intelligent animals in general but don't have a mind?

Just to remind you:

Definition of mind:


"a
: the element or complex of elements in an individual that feels, perceives, thinks, wills, and especially reasons
b
: the conscious mental events and capabilities in an organism
c
: the organized conscious and unconscious adaptive mental activity of an organism"
- Definition of MIND

 

[Ignatius A]

What about them?

"The corvids (ravens, crows, jays, magpies, etc.) and psittacines (parrots, macaws, and cockatoos) are often considered the most intelligent birds, and are among the most intelligent animals in general."
- Bird intelligence - Wikipedia

Are they among the most intelligent animals in general but don't have a mind?

Just to remind you:

Definition of mind:


"a
: the element or complex of elements in an individual that feels, perceives, thinks, wills, and especially reasons
b
: the conscious mental events and capabilities in an organism
c
: the organized conscious and unconscious adaptive mental activity of an organism"
- Definition of MIND

None are superior to humans however.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Lmbo if he isnt offended by my calling him stupid, treating him like he is isnt likely to work either. Ashamed? Lol

Yep, it will. You should try spending more time with dogs.

I'm not. We are still talking about it because people here seem to have a real problem with the fact that humans are superior to animals as well as with stating that fact apparently. Why are you so insistent that we aren't?

You are doing it again here.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So where do you draw the line? What about rats? What about mice? What about uncute mammals like bats? What about non mammals like birds?

How about mammals, which are the examples we were giving. You know, animals that have similar brain structures to ours.

I don't know why you switched off to ants.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Sure have.

Nope. Repeating yourself over and over isn't going to do it.