Noah's Arc and the Flood?

[dad]

Pangea was a 300 million years ago.

The dates are 100% based on a belief in the same nature having existed in the past, and interpreting isotope ratios accordingly. The dates have absolutely no value unless this can be proven, and it can't. So all we can do is look at facts. It did separate...fact. When...is belief based.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So what? You do realize Babylon was founded decades after the tower of Babel!? Babel was after the flood! ha.

"The year was 331 BC. After Alexander the Great had defeated Darius at Gaugmela near Arbela, he journeyed to Babylon. Here he received 1903 years of astronomical observations from the Chaldeans, which they claimed dated back to the founding of Babylon. If this was so, then that would place the founding of Babylon in 2234 BC, or about thirteen years after the birth of Peleg. This was recorded in the sixth book of De Caelo (“About the heavens”) by Simplicius, a Latin writer in the 6th century AD. Porphyry (an anti-Christian Greek philosopher, c. 234–305 AD) also deduced the same number.2"

In the Days of Peleg

Apparently it is likely that Peleg was about 5 years old at the time of Babel. (it was also in the days of Peleg, incidentally that the world was divided) That would place the founding of Babylon around 8 years after Babel!!!!!!!

The Bible has not been shown to be a reliable source. If you want to claim that you need to demonstrate that it is. We are debating the validity of the Bible right now. An object being debated cannot be evidence for itself. And its own terrible failures pretty much tell us that it is a rather poor source.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The dates are 100% based on a belief in the same nature having existed in the past, and interpreting isotope ratios accordingly. The dates have absolutely no value unless this can be proven, and it can't. So all we can do is look at facts. It did separate...fact. When...is belief based.

Again, if you want to claim a different nature past you need to support it. All we need to do to justify the usage of those techniques is the observation that there is no evidence of a change so there is no rational reason to assume there was a change. Until you support your claim you lose automatically.

Belief is your flaw. Don't accuse others of that failing.

 

[sooda]

So what? You do realize Babylon was founded decades after the tower of Babel!? Babel was after the flood! ha.

"The year was 331 BC. After Alexander the Great had defeated Darius at Gaugmela near Arbela, he journeyed to Babylon. Here he received 1903 years of astronomical observations from the Chaldeans, which they claimed dated back to the founding of Babylon. If this was so, then that would place the founding of Babylon in 2234 BC, or about thirteen years after the birth of Peleg. This was recorded in the sixth book of De Caelo (“About the heavens”) by Simplicius, a Latin writer in the 6th century AD. Porphyry (an anti-Christian Greek philosopher, c. 234–305 AD) also deduced the same number.2"

In the Days of Peleg

Apparently it is likely that Peleg was about 5 years old at the time of Babel. (it was also in the days of Peleg, incidentally that the world was divided) That would place the founding of Babylon around 8 years after Babel!!!!!!!

The Tower of Babel is just a ziggurat.. There are ziggurats all over the ME. According to the Bible story is was 350 years after Noah got off the ark.. That would be around 2500 BC. But the story is about the collapse of a civilization and a descent into illiteracy.

Babylon had a written language, irrigation and sailboats by 3000 BC..

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Tower of Babel is just a ziggurat.. There are ziggurats all over the ME. According to the Bible story is was 350 years after Noah got off the ark.. That would be around 2500 BC. But the story is about the collapse of a civilization and a descent into illiteracy.

Babylon had a written language, irrigation and sailboats by 3000 BC..

And very possibly not even the one that the myth is based upon. A failed ziggurat in a land of ziggurats is merely evidence that at least some did not work out.

 

[sooda]

And very possibly not even the one that the myth is based upon. A failed ziggurat in a land of ziggurats is merely evidence that at least some did not work out.

Some are still around. They were watchtowers and signal towers.. You could see an enemy coming for 20 miles away.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Some are still around. They were watchtowers and signal towers.. You could see an enemy coming for 20 miles away.

At the risk of losing one's ability to speak one's native tongue? I don't think so

 

[dad]

Again, if you want to claim a different nature past you need to support it.

Again, if you want to claim a same nature past you need to support it.

History and Scripture records confirm it was different, so there is no rational reason to assume there was no change.

 

[sooda]

Again, if you want to claim a same nature past you need to support it.

History and Scripture records confirm it was different, so there is no rational reason to assume there was no change.

The Bible is didactic literature.. It was never intended as history or science.

 

[dad]

The Tower of Babel is just a ziggurat.. There are ziggurats all over the ME.

You were misinformed. Just because later kings tried to make some sort of little replica as best they could recall does not mean the tower was just a ziggurat.

According to the Bible story is was 350 years after Noah got off the ark..

You making this up?

"The Tower of Babel incident occurred around 4,200 years ago—about 100 years after the Flood but before Abraham was born, This was before ancient Egypt, Greece, and other early civilizations. These places couldn’t have begun until after people left Babel to establish these other civilizations."
In What Time Period Was The Tower Of Babel Built In?

But the story is about the collapse of a civilization and a descent into illiteracy.

No. In fact, that was likely when literacy or writing began! Before that, I have not yet seen proof there were any written words. The early states even used picture words to try and communicate.

Babylon had a written language, irrigation and sailboats by 3000 BC..

Your dates are belief-based and wrong.

 

[dad]

The Bible is didactic literature.. It was never intended as history or science.

False. It is the actual record. All else is rank amateurism.

 

[sooda]

False. It is the actual record. All else is rank amateurism.

No.. There was no flood, no Moses, no Exodus, no Joshua or large armies and they didn't destroy any Canaanite cities. These are foundational myths and morality tales of redemption. There was NO city of Ur at the time of Abraham.

The message is where the value lies, not in fairy tales about living in a fish for three days.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Again, if you want to claim a same nature past you need to support it.

History and Scripture records confirm it was different, so there is no rational reason to assume there was no change.

I did. You keep forgetting that. It is why I had to craft Rule Number One. But you have an even heavier burden of proof. If you cannot support your inane insane claim you lose.

 

[shunyadragon]

No. The written record of Scripture may be younger, not the actual record.

The actual records by the evidence are Sumerian, Babylonian, Canaanite and Ugarit Cuneiform texts. There is absolutely no evidence of Hebrew texts before the present known texts.

 

[shunyadragon]

The evidence says the landmasses were together. Your beliefs say it was a certain number of years ago.

By the 'objective verifiable evidence' the ages of the earth is billions of years old, and the continental drift took place over billions of years. To claim it happened in a short period of time would violate the basic laws of Newtonian physics and Thermodynamics.

 

[dad]

No.. There was no flood, no Moses, no Exodus,

Yes, there was a flood, a Moses, and Exodus.

no Joshua or large armies and they didn't destroy any Canaanite cities.

Proof?

There was NO city of Ur at the time of Abraham.

Proof?

Old wives' tales, myths, and unsupported allegations don't cut it.

 

[dad]

I did. .

Link?

 

[dad]

The actual records by the evidence are Sumerian, Babylonian, Canaanite and Ugarit Cuneiform texts. There is absolutely no evidence of Hebrew texts before the present known texts.

So??

The written record was not the first record. This is news? Just because the pagan peoples felt a need to write records does not mean God's people had to have em!
We had the record, just not (apparently, at least that was found yet) a written record!

 

[dad]

By the 'objective verifiable evidence' the ages of the earth is billions of years old,

Your unsupportable religious dream dates are subjective beliefs.

and the continental drift took place over billions of years.

We seem to need a crowbar to pry you from your belief based dream dates!

To claim it happened in a short period of time would violate the basic laws of Newtonian physics and Thermodynamics.

In other words not in this present nature. No news there!

 

[sooda]

Yes, there was a flood, a Moses, and Exodus.

Proof?


Proof?

Old wives' tales, myths, and unsupported allegations don't cut it.

Ur didn't exist at the time of Abraham.. The river changed course.

I agree that myths don't cut it.