Where is your evidence that supports the bible?
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The Bhagavad Gita says science is wrong and the earth and the universe is 1.5 billions of years old.
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Noah's Arc and the Flood?
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Where is your evidence that supports the bible?
Still waiting . . .
The Bhagavad Gita says science is wrong and the earth and the universe is 1.5 billions of years old.
Subduction Zone
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Native
Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Native said: ↑
We are not discussing what the ancients tought of natural events, but how we understand the Noah Flood Myth, which certainly is interpreted and written down as a "divine retribution".
This is a specific problem in the Abrahamic religions where the mythical language/imagery/symbolism once were forbidden (together with the female divinity) leaving this contents to pure dogmas and blind beliefs.
"Keep the ordinary population stupid and you´ll be able to govern them".
You´re allready a severe victim from lots of interpretations of Genesis and the Noah Flood - and when a natural explanation comes up, you will not have it
We are not discussing what the ancients tought of natural events, but how we understand the Noah Flood Myth, which certainly is interpreted and written down as a "divine retribution".
It´s not MY interpretation. The Story of Creation is a common cultural story, which orally, textual and symbolic describes how the creation appears for ALL humans. And this common cultural story can be religious and mythologically compared and if you do this works seriously, you´ll find the natural explanations of, amongst others, the Flood Myth, which is hugely and dualistic fragmented in the Abrahamic religions.
Then you just have the problem left that Genesis already is interpreted several times by priests in the past and by scholars who necessarily didn´t have the mythical or cosmological skills, which is needed in order to understand Genesis in all it´s contents.
This is a specific problem in the Abrahamic religions where the mythical language/imagery/symbolism once were forbidden (together with the female divinity) leaving this contents to pure dogmas and blind beliefs.
"Keep the ordinary population stupid and you´ll be able to govern them".
You´re allready a severe victim from lots of interpretations of Genesis and the Noah Flood - and when a natural explanation comes up, you will not have it
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sooda
Veteran Member
Native said: ↑
We are not discussing what the ancients tought of natural events, but how we understand the Noah Flood Myth, which certainly is interpreted and written down as a "divine retribution".
It´s not MY interpretation. The Story of Creation is a common cultural story, which orally, textual and symbolic describes how the creation appears for ALL humans. And this common cultural story can be religious and mythologically compared and if you do this works seriously, you´ll find the natural explanations of, amongst others, the Flood Myth, which is hugely and dualistic fragmented in the Abrahamic religions.
Then you just have the problem left that Genesis already is interpreted several times by priests in the past and by scholars who necessarily didn´t have the mythical or cosmological skills, which is needed in order to understand Genesis in all it´s contents.
This is a specific problem in the Abrahamic religions where the mythical language/imagery/symbolism once were forbidden (together with the female divinity) leaving this contents to pure dogmas and blind beliefs.
"Keep the ordinary population stupid and you´ll be able to govern them".
You´re allready a severe victim from lots of interpretations of Genesis and the Noah Flood - and when a natural explanation comes up, you will not have it
Ziusudra - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziusudra
[citation needed] Max Mallowan wrote that "we know from the Weld Blundell prism that at the time of the Flood, Ziusudra, the Sumerian Noah, was King of the city of Shuruppak where he received warning of the impending disaster. His role as a saviour agrees with that assigned to his counterpart Utnapishtim in the Gilgamesh Epic... both epigraphical and archaeological discovery give good grounds for believing …
Why wait for a natural explanation?
NoahsArkillustrationPictureSumerianShuruppak
www.bibleorigins.net/NoahsArkillustrationPictureSumerianShuruppak.html
Noah's Flood is a myth, as determined over the past 100 years by Geologists and Archaeologists and is most probably a later reworking of the Shuruppak flood occurring in the 3rd millennium B.C., the same millennium the Bible (Jewish Massoretic Text) dates the event too.
Yes we are, and it is part of the topic.
. . . but how we understand the Noah Flood Myth, which certainly is interpreted and written down as a "divine retribution".
It´s not MY interpretation. The Story of Creation is a common cultural story, which orally, textual and symbolic describes how the creation appears for ALL humans. And this common cultural story can be religious and mythologically compared and if you do this works seriously, you´ll find the natural explanations of, amongst others, the Flood Myth, which is hugely and dualistic fragmented in the Abrahamic religions.
Then you just have the problem left that Genesis already is interpreted several times by priests in the past and by scholars who necessarily didn´t have the mythical or cosmological skills, which is needed in order to understand Genesis in all it´s contents.
This is a specific problem in the Abrahamic religions where the mythical language/imagery/symbolism once were forbidden (together with the female divinity) leaving this contents to pure dogmas and blind beliefs.
"Keep the ordinary population stupid and you´ll be able to govern them".
You´re allready a severe victim from lots of interpretations of Genesis and the Noah Flood - and when a natural explanation comes up, you will not have it
We will have to agree to disagree. Your interpretation remains one of many.
sooda
Veteran Member
Most scholars today believe the Gilgamesh Flood Epic is based on the following:
Shuruppak | ancient city, Iraq | Britannica
https://www.britannica.com/place/Shuruppak
Shuruppak was celebrated in Sumerian legend as the scene of the Deluge, which destroyed all humanity except one survivor, Ziusudra. He had been commanded by a protecting god to build an ark, in which he rode out the disaster, afterward re-creating man and living things upon the earth, and was himself endowed with eternal life.
Native
Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Don´t forget that we are talking of Flood in the immediate connection to the religious stories of creation. Unless archaeologists think that the creation took place in the latest 3-4 millenniums, they don´t make the correct connection - or location - to the myth.
dad
Undefeated
Believe what you like. So-called science is further out in la la land than the BG. Looks like BS trumps BG.
dad
Undefeated
No, you do. And upside down, and inside out.
The competent archaeologists do not think Genesis is anything more than an evolved mythology as a creation story that evolved from records in Sumerian cuneiform. The Biblical floow is an evolved Sumerian record of a flood as @sooda referenced.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
When you live on a planet as a human and look back at natural history and then say and dinosaurs were living in this era....then a human should say....and I have no place talking about dinosaurs, for my own life form did not even exist then.
If a male says, after Earth was given ICE and tells stories in science/Bible themes of the sacrifice and say ICE is sacred as it is newly born every December and saved the life of human babies as Genesis information, for medical sciences. Then he did.
If a male says, science gained the statements for science, from first pyramid science that destroyed all life on Earth. And owns archaeological evidence that a male as a human and a group of males chose to seek, because they knew that he had to prove it......true and real.
And what would any of you know about a body of Earth completely transformed, to find human artefacts deep underground....and what was above fell within the planet?
You wouldn't.
Then you would ask the new pyramid builders, where did you get your science information?
And they would say I heard it speaking and I saw VISIONS of the Gods human like selves doing it....and be telling the truth. For VISION of the past, human correct genetics as a higher species would not own proper vision feed back today....seeing a lot of the atmospheric gases were burnt out as a MASS in that attack.
What I would say to my own self....whom am I to argue about the relativity of science came from historically, especially when its cause and effects is to activate Earth flooding as UFO burning of the atmosphere proves.
I would say to my own self, I have had it proven, lucky the Earth does not own the same atmosphere or else we probably would be glugging under water.
If a male says, after Earth was given ICE and tells stories in science/Bible themes of the sacrifice and say ICE is sacred as it is newly born every December and saved the life of human babies as Genesis information, for medical sciences. Then he did.
If a male says, science gained the statements for science, from first pyramid science that destroyed all life on Earth. And owns archaeological evidence that a male as a human and a group of males chose to seek, because they knew that he had to prove it......true and real.
And what would any of you know about a body of Earth completely transformed, to find human artefacts deep underground....and what was above fell within the planet?
You wouldn't.
Then you would ask the new pyramid builders, where did you get your science information?
And they would say I heard it speaking and I saw VISIONS of the Gods human like selves doing it....and be telling the truth. For VISION of the past, human correct genetics as a higher species would not own proper vision feed back today....seeing a lot of the atmospheric gases were burnt out as a MASS in that attack.
What I would say to my own self....whom am I to argue about the relativity of science came from historically, especially when its cause and effects is to activate Earth flooding as UFO burning of the atmosphere proves.
I would say to my own self, I have had it proven, lucky the Earth does not own the same atmosphere or else we probably would be glugging under water.
The pyramids are megalithic engineering achievements common to most ancient megalithic structure all over the world. Nothing of science here beyond the common science knowledge of ancient structure by ancient cultures.
dad
Undefeated
No. It is not an insult to call a spade a spade.
dad
Undefeated
If you knew down from up that might be concerning.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
dad not only does not do evidence, he actively avoids understanding the concept. It is his weak attempt to try not to consciously break the Ninth Commandment. If he does not understand how he breaks the law of his he can pretend that he has not done so.