Sultan Of Swing
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HEEHEEHEE. This is where I got the "magic" term from
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Noahs Ark (How can anyone possibly believe the story)
- Thread starter Independent Mind
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So how many animals? How many kinds were there?
IIRC, there were seven pairs for the "clean" kinds and one pair for the other kinds; how many does that come to?
I mentioned something about this in another thread - the M/V Becrux is a cattle ship with approximately the same dimensions as the dimensions given for the Ark in Genesis. It holds up to 1400 cattle.
If you have a look at the link, you'll see that the sides of each deck are fairly open... much more than the row of windows along the top that Genesis describes for the Ark. However, even with these openings, the ship is dependent on 84 large, high-power blowers that bring fresh air in and take stale air out - the system does an air change every minute. Without this system, the animals would quickly suffocate.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
(This is ignoring the fact that it's completely impossible to construct a Becrux without modern engineering.)
Au contraire! Genesis says that the Ark was made from "gopher wood", and since nothing called "gopher wood" exists today, we can assume it has whatever properties we want!
Only among intelligent people.
Or because some people understand the intention of myth and the concept of allegory.
An atheist who thinks these stories were meant to be taken literally isn't any better off than a religious person who thinks the same thing. The only difference is in the reactions to the misconception.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Again, in the fundamentalist mind such details are secondary at best. The important thing is that it had to have happened, otherwise the Bible is not the literal Word of God. That conclusion is unacceptable, therefore the flood happened exactly as depicted in the Bible. Whatever after-the-fact rationale required to support this position is acceptable, no matter how illogical, impossible, or borderline insane it is. As long as it gives the believer a sense that they've answered the questions, it has served its purpose.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
What do you mean, doesn't exist? I've seen it.Au contraire! Genesis says that the Ark was made from "gopher wood", and since nothing called "gopher wood" exists today, we can assume it has whatever properties we want!
...Are we sure the Lord wasn't a fan of Star Trek?
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Personally I view them in a literal fashion because the way they're portrayed is to be taken literally. I know the creation narrative didn't happen but when you look at the genealogy given in the NT it's plain to see that the NT writers viewed them as literal by asserting that the biblical Yeshua (Jesus) genealogy traces back to Adam. Paul reveals that "sin" can be traced back to a supposed act that the biblical Adam did....
Personally I view them in a literal fashion because the way they're portrayed is to be taken literally. I know the creation narrative didn't happen but when you look at the genealogy given in the NT it's plain to see that the NT writers viewed them as literal by asserting that the biblical Yeshua (Jesus) genealogy traces back to Adam. Paul reveals that "sin" can be traced back to a supposed act that the biblical Adam did....
There's no doubt that these stories were treated as literal accounts by some (possibly most) people all through their history. It's also possibly if not probable that the people who wound up actually writing these stories down were intentionally promoting the literal interpretation in order to further a religious agenda, which could account for the placement of a genealogy between the events. Standing on their own each story could be read as a parable intended to convey a message or moral. Setting these stories in a chronological line and using a genealogy to fill in the gaps and tie them together would make it possible to present it as a literal history of the world, or of a specific people, which would no doubt be the intention of anyone trying to sell the package to a specific audience. Rather than presenting it as a package or collection of individual stories intended to covey a message, it could be presented to the target audience as their story, their history, which would basically insure acceptance and some level of devotion.
This doesn't say anything about what the original purpose of each story might have been.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Noah's a poor party planner if he only takes one keg for 40 days on the water.
I bet he and his sons could polish off a keg in one night.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Man of Faith
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
The only thing that really matters is that there's not enough water on earth to facilitate the description of Noah's flood.
Everything else is impossible in the story too, but the major point of the story is a worldwide flood.
Everything else is impossible in the story too, but the major point of the story is a worldwide flood.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
How were the pyramids built without modern engineering?
Nobody knows.
We couldn't even move the Stonehenge rocks or build a Corinthian column.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
"The key is to remember that the Flood didn't have to cover the present Earth, but it did have to cover the pre-Flood Earth..."
"Mt. Everest and the Himalayan range, along with the Alps, the Rockies, the Appalachians, the Andes, and most of the world's other mountains are composed of ocean-bottom sediments, full of marine fossils laid down by the Flood. Mt. Everest itself has clam fossils at its summit. These rock layers cover an extensive area, including much of Asia. They give every indication of resulting from cataclysmic water processes. These are the kinds of deposits we would expect to result from the worldwide, world-destroying Flood of Noah's day."
"No, Noah's Flood didn't cover the Himalayas, it formed them! "
http://www.icr.org/article/did-noahs-flood-cover-himalayan-mountains/
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Dear god - do yourself a favor and forget you ever read that.
And find a better website.
And find a better website.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Same surface area.
(BTW, the author of your link is disregarding all known data regarding geology and plate-tectonics.)
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
(hint, all the other laws of physics aside - if the earth were a formless sphere, there's still not enough water for the kind of flood described in Genesis)