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Noahs Ark (How can anyone possibly believe the story)

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Man of Faith

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Man of Faith

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zenzero said:
Friend Independent Mind,

Stories are just that, stories.
However there is no smoke without fire is also true.
Reality is that the earth has gone through the cycle of freezing and melting of water and ice few times and in such times of melting the %age of earth covered under water is more and not all species of life survives and those who do are due to their karma but some like to use the label God who decides who should live and who not and this Noah's ark simply represents that!

Love & rgds
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If stories are just stories then nothing is true, not even evolution. Tell me a story about what you did over a three day weekend and then it magically isn't true because it is a story. :facepalm:
 
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Man of Faith

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angellous_evangellous said:
(hint, all the other laws of physics aside - if the earth were a formless sphere, there's still not enough water for the kind of flood described in Genesis)
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The water came from two places, under the earth and above the earth.

Where did the water go?
"Simply put, the water from the Flood is in the oceans and seas we see today. Three-quarters of the earth’s surface is covered with water.
As even secular geologists observe, it does appear that the continents were at one time “together” and not separated by the vast oceans of today. The forces involved in the Flood were certainly sufficient to change all of this.
Scripture indicates that God formed the ocean basins, raising the land out of the water, so that the floodwaters returned to a safe place."

Was There Really a Noah
 
zenzero

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend outhouse,

first,,, karma and survivability is only your personal opinion
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Karma theory is understood only when one transcends the mind and survivability is mathematical like if so many typhoon hit USA surely population will get reduced.
Rgds history, am not sure when the last great flood happened in history nor the time of its happening in the imaginary story as the old testament is all about creation and beging of evolution which should cover the time of the last flooding on the earth.

Love & rgds
 
zenzero

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Man of Faith,
You missed the point that there is no smoke without fire besides stories are written in a fashion for readers to understand and not get into its history. geography, etc. and so stories are stories.
Love & rgds
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
man of faith said:
Then we both agree, they were once under ocean water, sorta like a flood. :facepalm:
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But those mountains were only under water over 50 MILLION OF YEARS before man ever existed. (actually there were no mountains known as the Himalaya; not until the Indian tectonic plate met with the Eurasian plat, causing the uplifts.)

The Himalaya, including Everest, was never under water 4000-5000 years ago (c. 2340 BCE for the Noah's Flood), if that what's you're getting at?

Not unless you think Noah was there 50+ million years ago. Do you know how ridiculous your claim is, MoF?

And the Himalaya certain didn't rise up after the supposed Noah's Flood 4300 or so years ago.

There are geological evidences to support that weren't much change to the elevations of the Himalaya, including Mt Everest in the past 10,000 years.

You (and the author of that silly article, John Morris) are completely ignoring the age of the marine fossils. If Morris seriously believe that the flood occur 4300 years ago to cover in water the region now known as the Himalaya, then I'd doubt seriously his PhD credential...which I do.

I can't believe that you would provide such garbage of an article, MoF.
 
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Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Man of Faith said:
Then we both agree, they were once under ocean water, sorta like a flood. :facepalm:
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Nope. Not at all. The geological data I presented in the two links should have cleared this up......See (gnostic's comment).....http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2476000-post66.html

Additgionally you might want to at least watch this to get a better perspective. I'm not trying to prove to you that any of this happens because the observable evidence happened in Japan as you may recall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGovMjksMi0

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_fault_line_is_Japan_on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Median_Tectonic_Line

No, No water below and water above that could count for a massive WWF. No life, Not even Noah and his family or the animals, could survive such a catastrophic event.
 
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9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Man of Faith said:
The water came from two places, under the earth and above the earth.

Where did the water go?
"Simply put, the water from the Flood is in the oceans and seas we see today. Three-quarters of the earth’s surface is covered with water.
As even secular geologists observe, it does appear that the continents were at one time “together” and not separated by the vast oceans of today. The forces involved in the Flood were certainly sufficient to change all of this.
Scripture indicates that God formed the ocean basins, raising the land out of the water, so that the floodwaters returned to a safe place."

Was There Really a Noah
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You do realize that there are enough members here who know something of geology that you're not going to get very far lying about it, don't you?

I thought bearing false witness was supposed to be a sin.
 
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Agnostic75

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Message to global flood advocates: If a global flood did not occur, how would the geological evidence be different than it is now?
 
Jose Fly

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
MoF's links and copy and pastes demonstrate my point very well. They will offer any "answer" that serves the simple purpose of making the believer feel he has answered the question, no matter how ridiculous the answer actually is.

They can say with a straight face that the Himalayas formed and the continents all moved across the earth in a matter of a few hundred years, completely ignoring the sheer physics required, and the ridiculous amounts of heat generated (more than enough to boil off the oceans and the atmosphere and make the earth totally uninhabitable).

That second layer of issues doesn't even enter into their thinking. You asked the question about the water, they answered it. The fundamentalist mind is satisfied and safe.
 
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Agnostic75

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According to an Internet article at Beliefs of the U.S. public about evolution and creation, 99.86% of the 480,000 American earth and life scientists accept naturalistic or theistic evolution. Only 14 hundredths of 1 percent, or only 700 of those scientists, are creationists.

It is interesting to note that the article also shows that some groups of people are more likely to be creationists, such as women, people with less education, and people with less income.
 
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Vansdad

Member
Dirty Penguin said:
The story is nonsense and illogical. It is truly about reproduction because if that story and the Adam and Eve story are not literal then it would appear to call in to question of validity surrounding the (literal) genealogy connections...where the NT writers and the OT writers point to.
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Anyone who takes this story or Adam and Eve as true should check out some evidence. There is absolutely no evidence to support this as the real way life formed. So this story may be seen as a man (Noah) who had enough faith in God to build an arc in the desert as God told him to do.
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Independent Mind said:
I used to be a Christian but after many years left the faith. A number of things were bugging me that could not be answered. I repeatedly questioned the whole Noah's ark story & never got sensible / satisfactory answers. Can someone on here that is religious & a believer in The Ark, please try to explain how:
1)How could all creatures from land & freshwater be contained on a boat . (currently 1.7000000 creatures on earth we know of & more discovered everyday)
2)How could there possibly be enough food of all types needed on board for at least 6months
3)How would you keep animals from hot climates & cold climates alive without any form of heating or cooling equipment
4)When released how did the animals get to their appropriate climates from there
5)If all creatures on board & Noahs family repopulated the earth apart from the incest which would have occured, fact is children / animals produced from there on would have extremely high risk of birth defects / mutations.
Thanks in advance.....
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The story can be taken literally, but for a lot of us, it is what we call a parable- a story told in symbolic terms. Jesus spoke in Parables, so we can assume that the Prophets probably did, too.
 
Sultan Of Swing

Sultan Of Swing

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ChristineES said:
The story can be taken literally, but for a lot of us, it is what we call a parable- a story told in symbolic terms. Jesus spoke in Parables, so we can assume that the Prophets probably did, too.
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But if it was just a parable, why would Jesus' bloodline be traced back to Adam in the Gospels?
 
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