Noahs Ark

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Brown Bears and Black Bears can't interbreed... (brown bears and polar bears can hybridize though).

So I guess the Black Bear is a different "kind" than the Brown Bear. (different genus anyway.)

AS for the size of animals on the ark... what size rat are we talking about?
something like this?

or something like this?

wa:do

Good GOD THAT IS A HUGE RAT!!! WHERE WAS THAT!?!?!?!?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

And you think that they were stranded there when this impossible flood receded? Look, I have a suggestion for you, do a little research on Earth history and geology, therein lies your answer. While we are at it explain why there is NO world wide single identifiable layer of sediment that HAS to be present if such an event took place, continue with an explanation of where 13.5 billion cubic MILES of extra water came from and then went, and as you can see from my post, floating above the Earth is no an option, why not try the underground answer that creationists sometimes use.

Now you have the job at hand awaiting you, answer and or respond to the 10 questions I have posted. I suggest you just make things simple for yourself and invoke god magic, it will make you look much less foolish.

Priceless......

But you forgot to mention that there were other civilizations in existence thriving during the time of said flood. Namely the Chinese and Egyptian......... Why weren't these people drowned in the supposed flood and why is that, from what I can tell, they don't record such an event in their writings/hieroglyphics.....

 

[URAVIP2ME]

And you think that they were stranded there when this impossible flood receded? Look, I have a suggestion for you, do a little research on Earth history and geology, therein lies your answer. While we are at it explain why there is NO world wide single identifiable layer of sediment that HAS to be present if such an event took place, continue with an explanation of where 13.5 billion cubic MILES of extra water came from and then went, and as you can see from my post, floating above the Earth is no an option, why not try the underground answer that creationists sometimes use.

Now you have the job at hand awaiting you, answer and or respond to the 10 questions I have posted. I suggest you just make things simple for yourself and invoke god magic, it will make you look much less foolish.

I did answer your questions. Please look at the gray box posted at 5:25 PM on page 40.

 

[darkendless]

I did answer your questions. Please look at the gray box posted at 5:25 PM on page 40.

The funny thing is you cannot answer without going biblical. What's even funnier is tthe fact that you think you're defending something that happened when it was physically impossible for the earth to be covered in water.

Give up!

 

[richardlowellt]

Priceless......

But you forgot to mention that there were other civilizations in existence thriving during the time of said flood. Namely the Chinese and Egyptian......... Why weren't these people drowned in the supposed flood and why is that, from what I can tell, they don't record such an event in their writings/hieroglyphics.....

Of course your right, just another nail in the coffin. I find it amusing to see how they do squirm to make this impossible event a reality, you do have to give them points for being incredibly creative.

 

[darkendless]

Of course your right, just another nail in the coffin. I find it amusing to see how they do squirm to make this impossible event a reality, you do have to give them points for being incredibly creative.

When their creativity runs out all they have to do is refer to the omnipotence of God

Nothing like an ace of spades up your sleeve. The sad thing is the fact that they must resort to such childish and intillectually dishonest tactics to claim a moral victory they didn't deserve nor earn.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

URAVIP2ME....Here's your lesson should you choose to click the link and learn a little geology. Sometimes when people simply tell you something or type it out your reaction is to respond because you can't see the evidence in front of you, from them, to support their claim. It's not a bad thing so I'll post a couple of visual aides for you. I'm not really trying to convince you rather than show you what a large consensus of scientific and geological study has to say about a WWF....

YouTube - Noah's Flood - debunked (Part 1)

YouTube - Noah's Flood debunked (Part 2)

Do you dare click the links?

 

[Autodidact]

Biblical 'kinds' would be any such species or varieties within a division that allows for cross fertility within its limits. The boundary would be drawn at the point where fertilization ceases to occur. Has the unchangeable rule that 'kinds' can not cross a biological principle been successfully challenged? So each basic group is apart from other 'kinds'. Sterility continues to be the determining factor as to what makes up a 'kind'.

Estimates are that Noah would have needed 43 kinds of mammals, 74 kinds of bird life and 10 kinds of reptiles to have the amount of variety we see today.

And what happened to the insects, pray tell?

In that case a kind is the same thing as a species. There are at least 12 million that we know about. True, many of those are aquatic, so let's call it around 6 million. Two of each. So what you're telling me is that Noah was floating around in a big wooden box with more than 10 million animals? (That's applying your definition in reality.)

For example, there are around 350,000 species of beetle alone. How much room do you think Noah set aside for beetles, do you suppose?

If, on the other hand, we use your ludicrous numbers...well let's do mammals first. You're saying Noah brings 43 "kinds" whatever the heck that may be. We know about around 5400 different species of mammals. That means that Noah's 43 kinds evolved into 5400 species in the last 6000 years alone. So what you're saying is that new species evolve. In fact, they evolve very rapidly, so rapidly that you'd have around one new species of mammal every year. Is that what we observe? Have you noticed any new species of mammals evolving in the last ten years?

Which is it, do new species evolve, or don't they?

Now let's talk about fish. There are three environments for fish, and no fish can live in the other. (Not even taking temperature into account.) They are fresh, salt and brackish. Salt water fish cannot survive in fresh water, etc. So how do you think the fish survived the mythical flood?

 

[richardlowellt]

How is it that millions of fishes are entombed at the top of mountain ranges?

And here is a review of how you answered each of these questions.

1.) You invoked Godmagic

2.) You invoked Godmagic

3.) 100% humidity for certain cave dwellers had to be present on the Ark, and just for these creatures, a separate compartment I'm sure was constructed!!

4.) Inbreeding causes genetic disorders, no animals would have survived for very long, most would have become extinct.

5.) "Kinds" is a biblical term not a scientific one, the bible cannot be used to explain science, don't even try!!

6.) Carnivores cannot survive on a plant diet, your invoking Godmagic once again.

7.) Animal ate rotting food excellent!!!

8.) No, do some science!!!

9.) No, your making sh-- up. and no water vapor is NOT lighter that air, ever hear of RAIN, DO SOME SCIENCE!!!!

10.) NO read #10 again!!

You really need to give this up, the more you try and justify this impossible event the more foolish you look, STOP, IT N E V E R HAPPENED!!!!

 

[Autodidact]

How is it that millions of fishes are entombed at the top of mountain ranges?

Those mountain ranges were once the bottoms of prehistoric oceans that dried out when the mountains slowly heaved up as tectonic plates smashed into each other over millions of years.

Almost every spot on earth has been under water at some time, just never all at the same time. Because, remember, there isn't enough water.

 

[Autodidact]

Never mind.

 

[Autodidact]

4.) What exactly is a "kind" is it a species, or order?
ans: til it can't reproduce. Cats remain in cat family, etc.

Your example contradicts your definition. These two species cannot reproduce with each other:

yet both are in the cat family.

In any case, you're saying that Noah took a single pair of cats on board, and 41 different species of cat evolved from that in the last 6000 years? Almost a cat per century? How many new species of cat have evolved in say the last 1000 years?

 

[Amill]

How is it that millions of fishes are entombed at the top of mountain ranges?

And how is it that there are coral fossils in many locations above sea level? Such as here in Indiana. How did a flood move corals from the bottom of seas?

Because there was no global flood. Several times in history there have been seas that existed across the midwest, and many other locations around the world.

The earth becomes much more interesting and unimaginable when you look at it from evidence. The geological and biological history of the earth is amazing!

 

[Bware]

And you think that they were stranded there when this impossible flood receded? Look, I have a suggestion for you, do a little research on Earth history and geology, therein lies your answer. While we are at it explain why there is NO world wide single identifiable layer of sediment that HAS to be present if such an event took place, continue with an explanation of where 13.5 billion cubic MILES of extra water came from and then went, and as you can see from my post, floating above the Earth is no an option, why not try the underground answer that creationists sometimes use.

FYI there is only 383million cubic miles of water on earth now. I don't feel like doing the math but that's ALOT of water to drain off.

 

[Bware]

richard read this article, seriously read the whole thing, and see if you don't change your mind. The Genesis Flood: Why the Bible Says It Must be Local

 

[richardlowellt]

richard read this article, seriously read the whole thing, and see if you don't change your mind. The Genesis Flood: Why the Bible Says It Must be Local

Ok, got it, the bible accounts have to be interpreted, you my pick and chose what you want as there is nothing definitive contained in that text.

We still have a myriad of problems with the Ark itself, way to large to be built of wood, the numbers of animal issues, the care and feeding issues, ect.ect.

If you simply want to say there was a local flood and some individual built a large wooden raft to save his farm animals, then that certainly makes good sense.

 

[Bware]

Ok, got it, the bible accounts have to be interpreted, you my pick and chose what you want as there is nothing definitive contained in that text.

We still have a myriad of problems with the Ark itself, way to large to be built of wood, the numbers of animal issues, the care and feeding issues, ect.ect.

If you simply want to say there was a local flood and some individual built a large wooden raft to save his farm animals, then that certainly makes good sense.

woops, sorry richard that last post from me was meant for URAVIP2ME. A local flood is exaclty what I believe happened.

 

[Autodidact]

How is it that millions of fishes are entombed at the top of mountain ranges?

What's your explanation for this? Do you believe that water once flooded the earth to a depth of more than 2 miles? Or that the tops of mountains were much lower at the time they were flooded? Be specific?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

... continue with an explanation of where 13.5 billion cubic MILES of extra water came from and then went...

The Biblical answer is in Genesis 7:11, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

and Genesis 8:3, "And the waters returned from off the earth continually..."

 

[averageJOE]

richard read this article, seriously read the whole thing, and see if you don't change your mind. The Genesis Flood: Why the Bible Says It Must be Local

Global, regional, local, whatever the story still falls apart. There is just no way all those animals would be able to survive inside a wooden box for a year, no matter how you try to spin the tale. The Genesis Flood story is a myth, a fable.