Noahs Ark

[Autodidact]

Genesis 6:5 does not say MAY or MAYBE but that all hearts were bad.

Because God had to uphold his moral principles he had to intervene and save the righteous. Only 8 souls being Noah and his family were counted as righteous. God made parents responsible for their minor children.
Parents chose not to listen to Noah's warnings. They were warned in advance just as we are waned in advance.

And after all, who cares about a few million dead babies anyway?

If I weren't an atheist, I would still refuse to worship such a bloodthirsty god.

 

[Autodidact]

God made the parent responsible for the minor child.
They were raising the infant, the toddler to become violent.

Eventually the violent would not have only killed off the righteous but also each other. The earth was created for the righteous or good hearted.

btw, and not that it has anything to do with this thread, but since you're derailing into your morality, may I just remark how barbaric, primitive, and completely appalling it is? Cuz by me, killing little babies is a bad thing. But for you, devout Christian, it's no big deal, as long as God's O.K. with it.

 

[Autodidact]

The Flood was a divine execution for justice. Even humans know some crimes are worthy of capital punishment.

Yeah, like having the wrong parents. Or not worshipping your God.

 

[Autodidact]

Isn't there a difference between mass murder and an execution carried out for the sake of the just? Noah warned the people of the coming Flood. Just like today the people do not heed the warning that Jesus will come in action to rid the earth of the wicked. Instead of a Flood the words from Jesus mouth will be sharp enough to act as an executioner's sword. His war is a righteous war (Rev 19:11,15) because all righteous ones will be saved or delivered into a peaceful earth.

Except the babies, apparently.

Choose your fairy-tales, but it's kinda scary when you choose such an evil one.

btw, what's the difference between your God and Satan?

 

[Autodidact]

The parent is responsible for the minor child. Genesis (6:5) says the thoughts of their hearts were bad all of the time. The violent parents were teaching their children to be violent. Perhaps disease had spread to animal kind.

Left on its own the violent people would have not only killed off Noah and his family but they would have eventually turned on each other thus no one righteous would be left on earth. The earth was made for the righteous to inhabit- Psalm 37:11,29,38; Proverbs 2:21,22 not the violent.

You're a sick puppy, aren't you?

 

[Autodidact]

Yet, God kills David's son as punishment.

2 Samuel 12:14-15
Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.

Not to mention Job's poor kids, and he was a righteous man. Didn't help his kids though. Collateral damage. So, URA, is your God impotent, or just evil?

 

[Autodidact]

So URA, I gather you have not a shred of evidence to refute the 16 major problems with the Noachian flood pointed out in this thread alone? So basically you're trying to tap dance and shine pretty lights to distract us from that fact?

Can we all agree then that this never happened, but somehow you actually want to believe in a bloody, genocidal revenge myth for your own psychological reasons?

Can you tell us why you find the idea of a God who slaughters little children psychologically important to you?

 

[Vile Atheist]

For someone who wished to keep the thread on course, you surely went in the opposite direction. Are you sure you're not a politician?

 

[Autodidact]

For someone who wished to keep the thread on course, you surely went in the opposite direction. Are you sure you're not a politician?

Don't skip over:

Can we all agree then that this never happened,

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Not to mention Job's poor kids, and he was a righteous man. Didn't help his kids though. Collateral damage. So, URA, is your God impotent, or just evil?

First, according to Scripture 'Satan is the god' of this world of badness. (2Cor4:4)
When Adam disobeyed God then Adam was rejecting his Creator to be his God over him. By listening to Satan Adam chose independence from God.
God honored Adam's free will to choose who would rule. Adam, by taking the law into his own hands, set up people rule over God rule.

According to Job (2:4) it was Satan that caused Job's grief and not God.

Job not only had more children during his lifetime, during Jesus thousand-year reign over earth the rest of Job's children will be resurrected to continue living and they could live forever in that righteous new world- 2Peter 3:13.

 

[freethinker44]

According to Job (2:4) it was Satan that caused Job's grief and not God.

God gave satan permission, and power to mess with job.

Job 1
1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

It almost sounds like it was even gods idea to put job through all of that. Satan just told god that job only loved him because he had no reason not to, then god gave him power and told him to hurt job but not take his life.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Adam had already chosen not to have God as ruler over mankind.
According to 2Cor 4:4 isn't Satan the god of this world of badness?

We are involved with the challenge that involved Job because by Satan's words he says 'a man' at Job 2:4. 'A man' means more than one man Job.

All 'a man' has he will give for his life- Job 2:4 B. Meaning we have no integrity.
We would all sell out for the right price.

Job did not sell out, Jesus did not sell out.

 

[freethinker44]

Right but clearly satan has no power over anything unless god gives him the power. Rationalize it however you want, but god is by far the greater evil than any biblical character.

 

[richardlowellt]

Adam had already chosen not to have God as ruler over mankind.
According to 2Cor 4:4 isn't Satan the god of this world of badness?

We are involved with the challenge that involved Job because by Satan's words he says 'a man' at Job 2:4. 'A man' means more than one man Job.

All 'a man' has he will give for his life- Job 2:4 B. Meaning we have no integrity.
We would all sell out for the right price.

Job did not sell out, Jesus did not sell out.

You are WAY OFF post, this is not thread about preaching it's about the fictitious Ark and all associated with it, the original question was, how did they fit a Brontosaurs on the ark? It would be nice if we could continue with conversations about this impossible event, thanks.

 

[Darkness]

It is pointless to even debate with fundamentalists because they are not humanists. There is no common ground. Humanists have the a priori that humans are valuable. fundamentalists believe that man is naturally evil and deserves death, as a priori. For this reason, fundamentalism is the enemy of the modern, democratic world that was built upon humanistic ideals.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You are WAY OFF post, this is not thread about preaching it's about the fictitious Ark and all associated with it, the original question was, how did they fit a Brontosaurs on the ark? It would be nice if we could continue with conversations about this impossible event, thanks.

You already know the Brontosaurs was long extinct before the time of the Flood.
Animal kind was Not all created at the same moment in time. Apparently God was even still creating in the 6th creative day- Genesis 2:19.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

It is pointless to even debate with fundamentalists because they are not humanists. There is no common ground. Humanists have the a priori that humans are valuable. fundamentalists believe that man is naturally evil and deserves death, as a priori. For this reason, fundamentalism is the enemy of the modern, democratic world that was built upon humanistic ideals.

Man is not naturally evil. It is not natural to be evil. Man is imperfect because Adam as father was imperfect. Everyone knows at birth a child's leanings will be toward imperfection.

Adam set up 'people rule' over 'God rule' as the best way of living. If that has proved true then why is there so much violence in today's world?

What ideals work better than the Golden Rule?

 

[freethinker44]

You already know the Brontosaurs was long extinct before the time of the Flood.
Animal kind was Not all created at the same moment in time. Apparently God was even still creating in the 6th creative day- Genesis 2:19.

That's funny, cause it says here god created man and then every animal and not only that, but man named every animal that was created.

Genesis 2
2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field;

 

[tumbleweed41]

You already know the Brontosaurs was long extinct before the time of the Flood.
Animal kind was Not all created at the same moment in time. Apparently God was even still creating in the 6th creative day- Genesis 2:19.

Geneis 2:19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

So it is your position that Man and Dinosaur existed at the same time?

Or are you simply pointing out the two separate creations stories in Genesis?

 

[Autodidact]

First, according to Scripture 'Satan is the god' of this world of badness. (2Cor4:4)
When Adam disobeyed God then Adam was rejecting his Creator to be his God over him. By listening to Satan Adam chose independence from God.
God honored Adam's free will to choose who would rule. Adam, by taking the law into his own hands, set up people rule over God rule.

Well, what I meant is, if God commits the worst atrocities imaginable, how is He any better than Satan? Cuz no matter what God does, no matter how horrific, including total genocide, it's all good cuz it's God doing it, right? So if the difference between God and Satan is not that one does good and one does evil, what is the significant difference?

According to Job (2:4) it was Satan that caused Job's grief and not God.

Didn't God specifically authorize him to do so?

Job not only had more children during his lifetime, during Jesus thousand-year reign over earth the rest of Job's children will be resurrected to continue living and they could live forever in that righteous new world- 2Peter 3:13.

Oh well that's all right then, since they'll get to live in the mythical future. Got any kids, URA? Mind if I kill them for you? Who cares, as long as they get to live in the future, right? No problemo.

Have I mentioned how abhorrent your so-called morality is? I can only hope that you don't vote. And don't even think about taking care of children.