Noahs Ark

[URAVIP2ME]

It's easy to carry pairs of insects........and other tiny varieties.....

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Why should God control one against his will? God already gave angelkind and humankind free will to choose for themselves.

How can one go against God. He, by definition, is the sole controller...creator of the heavens and the earth. By description from some theist...he is outside of space and time.....If he is this powerful and created all...and knows all before it happens then nothing can go against his will. This is a reason I don't believe is gods...This god, by your definition, is weak and has no control over its creation

Yes, free will to choose is exactly how God wanted it.

With the outcome predetermined or at least known already. How can you be punished for the way your god made you? You believe you have to stand in line to be judge by your god on that day...but why.....?....before anything was even created...your god knew the outcome of all. It appears this god has set you up to fail.

How did the people around Noah go bad? The same way some of the angels went bad. They used their free will to break God's Golden Rule and reaped what they sowed. God only intervenes in mankind's affairs when necessary for the sake of the righteous. If the situation had not grown so bad there would have been no need for God to step in.

But why the theatrics. Couldn't this omnipotent/omniscient just simply make it all "good".....?

I guess he didn't see that coming.....

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

URAVIP2ME,
Ken Hovind has claimed that there were indeed Dinosaurs on the ark.

Do you support this claim or not. Please explain your position.

Ok you asked for it.

Not only is Ken Hovin right but he did not go far enough. I believe that the reason the ark has never been found is because it happened a very long time ago. Try the Late Cretaceous. Yes that's right 67 MYA. How could there be proof of any boat on the side of a mountain that long ago. Now we get to the part that none of you smarty pants science types can disprove. Noah was not a Human but he was a dinosaur, a Troodon to be exact. (Troodon was a small dinosaur, only about 6 feet long, but he had a very large brain compared to his body size. Some scientists think that the was the smartest of all the dinosaurs. )

Troodon formosus dinosaur


Since Troodon were so smart can any of you prove that a Troodon did not build the ark. Can any of you prove that there was not a Troodon named Noah. This is proof positive that there were at least Troodons on the ark. I also believe that I can prove to all you educational elites that it was Ichthyosaur’s that pulled the ark but I will leave this for a different post. I think it will just be to much for your little minds to handle.

 

[richardlowellt]

It's easy to carry pairs of insects........and other tiny varieties.....

LOL, you really should do some research before making such ridiculous statements, for your information there are 920,000 named species of insects, 20 to 30 MILLION total species. Now each would have a specific diet, most will only eat live prey, so I guess we have to add each species preferred pray to the total. Good luck keeping some 1 million or more insects contained.

 

[JMorris]

LOL, you really should do some research before making such ridiculous statements, for your information there are 920,000 named species of insects, 20 to 30 MILLION total species. Now each would have a specific diet, most will only eat live prey, so I guess we have to add each species preferred pray to the total. Good luck keeping some 1 million or more insects contained.

well, there could of only been a few species of insects, and today's species could have evolved from those........... but evolution dosent exist (plus the whole idea is stupid...... i know )

 

[OmarKhayyam]

#1003: Poe's Law at work.

 

[Autodidact]

No where in Scripture was fire to be used as torture aka slow roasting.
The pagan nations made their children pass through the fire (Deut 18:10) but that was not God's command to ancient Israel.

So-called Christians that actually play false to God and Jesus may have adopted that after the end of the first century (Acts 20:29,30) but it was never God's command.

A child can be a child at any age. Never were 'minor children' sentenced to capital punishment. It would be grown children that were, and only after several witnesses established their unrepentence as under the Mosaic law.
Matthew 18:16.

Do you have anything at all to say about this supposed flood? Can we all agree it never happened and get on with it?

 

[Autodidact]

Why should God control one against his will? God already gave angelkind and humankind free will to choose for themselves.

Yes, free will to choose is exactly how God wanted it.

How did the people around Noah go bad? The same way some of the angels went bad. They used their free will to break God's Golden Rule and reaped what they sowed. God only intervenes in mankind's affairs when necessary for the sake of the righteous. If the situation had not grown so bad there would have been no need for God to step in. Once again when the situation reaches the point that wickedness covers the earth (Ps92:7) then there will once again be divine intervention. This time the sharp sword-like words from Jesus mouth will execute the wicked for the sake of the upright.

(Isaiah 11:4; Revelation 19:11,15)

Not really interested in endless recitation of your cultural myths. Got any science? Anything?

 

[Autodidact]

What Scriptures does Hovind use to back his claims?

There are no Scriptures to back up what he claims.

So science doesn't enter into it, as far as you're concerned? Is it that science doesn't exist, doesn't work, you reject it--or just use it when convenient for you while denying it?

 

[Autodidact]

A 'kind' ends when it can no longer reproduce.
From one 'kind' of dog we can branch out to many different types within in the dog family but the dog family can not branch out into another 'kind' and become a cat, etc.
Scripture is silent as to how many 'kinds' were on the ark.

Could you define a "kind?" Are you saying that a "kind" is a reproductive group, that is, a group of organisms that can potentially reproduce?

O.K., scripture is silent. Can you give us a number?

Because you've got two problems. Either it's a small enough number to fit on an ark, in which case since then you would have to have hyper-evolution, or it's a number too big to fit on the ark. There are no other choices. Either way it's impossible. So, which is it, a number that can fit on an ark, such as say <10,000, or anything close to the number of land species we currently have, such as say >1,000,000. Either way you're sunk which is why YEC's never answer this question. They need an answer like "10,000 when I need to fit them on the ark, and 1,000,000 when I need to populate the planet." In other words, an answer that contradicts itself. Which means, of course, that it's wrong.

We know mankind had made some animal life/ ocean life become extinct, but new species (according to their kind) is another matter. We do not get new life from non life but from already existing life.

This is gibberish. It makes no sense. Do new species arise, or don't they? Can I have a yes or no? Thanks.

 

[Autodidact]

In the Flood it was not only the children of the wicked that died it was the parents that were responsible for their children. If the parents were not wicked the children would have been spared. The Flood is was a divine execution.

And just tough cookies for those poor dead babies. Speaking of wicked, have I mentioned that your God is quite wicked?

When Jesus takes action against the wicked that too will be a divine execution by the sharp sword-like words from his mouth. That is why all righteous and unrighteous are now being warned. One can not be meek and wicked at the same time. The earth was created for the meek to inherit, and if the parent is not judged as upright when Jesus takes action then the parent at that time will also be held responsible.

Please spare us the bizarre myth-based forecasting. It has a track record of exactly zero.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Ok you asked for it.

Not only is Ken Hovin right but he did not go far enough. I believe that the reason the ark has never been found is because it happened a very long time ago. Try the Late Cretaceous. Yes that's right 67 MYA. How could there be proof of any boat on the side of a mountain that long ago. Now we get to the part that none of you smarty pants science types can disprove. Noah was not a Human but he was a dinosaur, a Troodon to be exact. (Troodon was a small dinosaur, only about 6 feet long, but he had a very large brain compared to his body size. Some scientists think that the was the smartest of all the dinosaurs. )

Troodon formosus dinosaur


Since Troodon were so smart can any of you prove that a Troodon did not build the ark. Can any of you prove that there was not a Troodon named Noah. This is proof positive that there were at least Troodons on the ark. I also believe that I can prove to all you educational elites that it was Ichthyosaur’s that pulled the ark but I will leave this for a different post. I think it will just be to much for your little minds to handle.

Yes...more myth is what we need. This stuff is too funny.

 

[Autodidact]

Where the Bible is silent there is no way to teach past what the Bible really teaches? I am not trying to go beyond what is written. If one wants to comment at least comment on what is actually recorded and not on what is not.

So science is completely useless? Can't use it to learn about the world at all? It's either in the Bible or no way of knowing. So, for example, no modern medicine, no computer, no weather forecasting, no scientific knowledge at all?

What reason is there to think that Noah had to take dinosaurs ?

None, obviously, since there was no such person.

Some scientist say some dinosaurs had bird bodies and frames.

Yes, that's what paleontologists believe.

Noah had to take something from the bird 'kind' but would that have to include each and every type?

Wait, are you saying that all birds are a single kind? That doesn't match your definition of "kind" at all. If a "kind" is a reproductive community, then there are thousands of bird "kinds". Could you clarify this? For example, a hummingbird and a condor cannot reproduce together, so you need, at a minimum, a hummingbird and condor on the ark.

This would be true of all 'kinds'. Can't different breeds of dogs come from one 'kind', etc.?

Is a "kind" a species, genus, family, or something else?

 

[Autodidact]

It's easy to carry pairs of insects........and other tiny varieties.....

So Noah took on board also insects and other bugs? Again, two of each sort that are reproductively isolated? Is that right?

 

[freethinker44]

When Jesus takes action against the wicked that too will be a divine execution by the sharp sword-like words from his mouth. That is why all righteous and unrighteous are now being warned. One can not be meek and wicked at the same time. The earth was created for the meek to inherit, and if the parent is not judged as upright when Jesus takes action then the parent at that time will also be held responsible.

So jesus is going to murder everyone who doesn't love him.

Don't try to make it sound pious and righteous, just call it what it is.

Murder.

When someone kills someone because they don't love him anymore, that is murder, not devine execution, it's murder. Even if he warns us it is going to happen, it is still murder. No matter how you justify it or rationalize it.

Murder.

Jesus is a murderer.

 

[ManTimeForgot]

The story of Noah's Ark is in direct contradiction to mandates within the Bible. In order to reproduce Noah had to commit incest with his family. No "perfectly benevolent" being which always adheres to its own laws (which evidently Jehovah does not do because he changes his mind in the Bible) would force someone to commit incest.

QED.

Anyone who believes a literal account of the flood is demanding that Jehovah contradict himself. Long story short: Do not get your impossible mythology all over my real world history thank you very much.

MTF

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So jesus is going to murder everyone who doesn't love him.

Don't try to make it sound pious and righteous, just call it what it is.

Murder.

When someone kills someone because they don't love him anymore, that is murder, not devine execution, it's murder. Even if he warns us it is going to happen, it is still murder. No matter how you justify it or rationalize it.

Murder.

Jesus is a murderer.

Are you saying that in war each one that kills another is a murderer?

Jesus as King of Kings fights as Commander in Chief of angelic armies to rid the earth of the wicked. (Prov 2:21,22). Jesus war is 'war in righteousness' (Rev 19:11) meaning, unlike men's wars, where there is the possibility of the innocent being killed, that will not be the case when Jesus takes action.

Do the wicked love you?

 

[freethinker44]

Are you saying that in war each one that kills another is a murderer?

Jesus as King of Kings fights as Commander in Chief of angelic armies to rid the earth of the wicked. (Prov 2:21,22). Jesus war is 'war in righteousness' (Rev 19:11) meaning, unlike men's wars, where there is the possibility of the innocent being killed, that will not be the case when Jesus takes action.

Do the wicked love you?

Now we are at war with jesus?

Calling it war doesn't make it better than murder. If you murder your spouse, can you call it war of love? No, it's murder. War is committed in defense of (in theory anyways) oneself. How can a being that can do anything it wants possibly be defending itself against our relatively weak species. It is like the worlds greatest fighter beating the hell out of a baby, it isn't self defense, it's murder.

 

[richardlowellt]

Jesus as King of Kings fights as Commander in Chief of angelic armies to rid the earth of the wicked. (Prov 2:21,22). Jesus war is 'war in righteousness' (Rev 19:11) meaning, unlike men's wars, where there is the possibility of the innocent being killed, that will not be the case when Jesus takes action.

To rid the earth of the wicked? With a wave of his almighty hand he could stop all wickedness. Were not innocents killed during your great mythical flood? Your King of kings is nothing more than a murdering tyrant, really no different than Hitler, trying to rid the earth of what he considered wicked, he like your King of Kings commits genocide. Imagine being able to cure all wickedness, to have men live in peace and harmony, just a simple wave of the hand, but instead he would rather be "Commander in Chief of Angelic armies" I think he likes playing war games but instead of toy soldiers he uses real humans, such an evil demon.

Do the wicked love you?

[/QUOTE]Sure my girl loves me and she is terribly wicked, if ya know what I mean!!!!!

 

[tumbleweed41]

For that matter. Why does an all powerful God need armies?
POOF!! Your gone, all enemies vanish. No bloodshed needed.
Nor is their any need for mass murder by drowning.

But that doesn't make good headlines, does it?