Noahs Ark

[tumbleweed41]

Genesis 6:5 does not say MAY or MAYBE but that all hearts were bad.

Because God had to uphold his moral principles he had to intervene and save the righteous. Only 8 souls being Noah and his family were counted as righteous. God made parents responsible for their minor children.
Parents chose not to listen to Noah's warnings. They were warned in advance just as we are waned in advance.

So...the infant was evil? The toddler? Their hearts were bad? Just cause Mom and Dad were bad?

Then we had a flood to kill them all? A flood that left absolutely no evidence of it's ever occurring?

Can't you see the absolute insanity of a literal interpretation of the OT?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Meanwhile, back on the ark, Noah can't find his hammer.....

Perhaps Noah could get another hammer from Tubal-cain who was a forger of every tool in iron?- Genesis 4:22

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So...the infant was evil? The toddler? Their hearts were bad? Just cause Mom and Dad were bad?

Then we had a flood to kill them all? A flood that left absolutely no evidence of it's ever occurring?

Can't you see the absolute insanity of a literal interpretation of the OT?

God made the parent responsible for the minor child.
They were raising the infant, the toddler to become violent.

Eventually the violent would not have only killed off the righteous but also each other. The earth was created for the righteous or good hearted.

 

[Darkness]

God made the parent responsible for the minor child.
They were raising the infant, the toddler to become violent.

Eventually the violent would not have only killed off the righteous but also each other. The earth was created for the righteous or good hearted.

Is it fun to justify mass murder?

 

[averageJOE]

The violent people of Noah's day would have destroyed righteous Noah and his family if God had not first stepped in.


The people of Noah's day could have been spared but they were beyond reform. Because of the violence not only would they have killed off Noah and his family they would have turned on each other. Would you want your children to live in such an unsafe, dangerous world where their very lives were in danger from those very ones around them?
What does Genesis 6:5 say about those people?____________________

If the people in the world of Noah's Day were so wicked and violent that they needed to be killed off, how was Noah able to keep these people from robbing him?

It's estimated that it would have taken Noah about 75 years to build the Ark. While he was building it he would have had a giant construction site full of wood, tools and other supplies lying all over the place. Not to mention the ark itself. All this would have been a gold mine for anyone who was looking for wood and supplies to build their own home. How did he keep from being robbed by these wicked evil people looking for free wood?

Also, how did Noah prevent wood rot? What do you think would happen to a 2x4 if you left it ouside for 50 years? It rots, correct? How did he prevent the Ark from wood rot?

 

[richardlowellt]

God created the angels perfect. Perfect does not mean immortal.
Adam had human perfection and that too does not mean immortal.

In order for Adam to live forever would be under the condition of obedience.
In order for angels to live forever they would also have to obey their Creator.

Angels were created to remain in the heavenly spirit realm.
Adam was created to remain in the earthly realm of physical existence.
Angels are to do God's will for them in heaven or the heavenly realm.

Satan at first was a perfect angel meaning he could only do wrong on purpose. Satan and some other angels joined him in disobeying God.
Jude verse six talks of those angels as forsaking their original position in the heavens. Those angelic 'sons of God' (Gen 6:2,4) materialized in human form, and the hybrid children they had with earth's daughters were nephilim (fellers) mighty ones (verse 4) bullies or tyrants whose wickedness made matters even worse. The Flood caused the materialized bodies of those 'fallen' angels to be destroyed. Since they do not die as we die, for the time being, they are held in or imprisoned in what is termed 'darkness' in Jude six.

So all perfect creation because of having the gift of free will can choose to obey or disobey. Disobedience has proved to result in, not peace on earth, but violence. God created all to be exactly doing what we should be doing in obeying God's Golden Rule or as James (2:8) called it the kingly or royal law.

Once upon a time thee was a boy named Jack, one day his mother asked jack to bring the cow to the city and sell it as they were very poor, on his way into town jack met a man selling magic beans-----------The story goes on but it is not quite as childish as the one you just told, if you'd like me to finish my story just let me know.

 

[Humanistheart]

God made the parent responsible for the minor child.
They were raising the infant, the toddler to become violent..

There are so many non-violent, death free way's this could have been done. Obviously your god's not very ethical.

Speaking of ethics, do you have any? I mean come on, children's parents are 'bad' so before they sin it's okay to kill the kids. Wow. I mean freaking wow.

 

[Vile Atheist]

Genesis 6:5 does not say MAY or MAYBE but that all hearts were bad.

Because God had to uphold his moral principles he had to intervene and save the righteous. Only 8 souls being Noah and his family were counted as righteous. God made parents responsible for their minor children.
Parents chose not to listen to Noah's warnings. They were warned in advance just as we are waned in advance.

I've already apologized to Autodidact for contributing to taking this thread off-topic, but since other people have taken it way off-topic without my aid, I feel I can respond to this.

God had to uphold his moral principles by killing virtually everything on Earth? If God is omnipotent and omnibenevolent and omniscient, wouldn't God be able to devise a way to "fix their hearts"? I don't understand how you can call genocide (including almost every non-human organism) a moral principle.

 

[freethinker44]

I've already apologized to Autodidact for contributing to taking this thread off-topic, but since other people have taken it way off-topic without my aid, I feel I can respond to this.

God had to uphold his moral principles by killing virtually everything on Earth? If God is omnipotent and omnibenevolent and omniscient, wouldn't God be able to devise a way to "fix their hearts"? I don't understand how you can call genocide (including almost every non-human organism) a moral principle.

Bible never says anything about omnibenevolence, it says god can do anything he wants. Apparently he wants to kill everyone, the bile only says he can do this, not that he shouldn't do this. Every human knows this is wrong, that is why we are more ethical than the biblical god.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The Flood was a divine execution for justice. Even humans know some crimes are worthy of capital punishment.

 

[Vile Atheist]

The Flood was a divine execution for justice. Even humans know some crimes are worthy of capital punishment.

And what did the poor animals ever do? What was their crime?

 

[darkendless]

The Flood was a divine execution for justice. Even humans know some crimes are worthy of capital punishment.

What about the children? Did they deserve to die as well? What about the animals not saved by Noah? Did they deserve to die?

Your God is a sadist my friend, mass murder to prove a point to one family is just sick.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Is it fun to justify mass murder?

Isn't there a difference between mass murder and an execution carried out for the sake of the just? Noah warned the people of the coming Flood. Just like today the people do not heed the warning that Jesus will come in action to rid the earth of the wicked. Instead of a Flood the words from Jesus mouth will be sharp enough to act as an executioner's sword. His war is a righteous war (Rev 19:11,15) because all righteous ones will be saved or delivered into a peaceful earth.

 

[tumbleweed41]

The Flood was a divine execution for justice. Even humans know some crimes are worthy of capital punishment.

Actually, the trend in most all advanced nations now is that capital punishment is unethical. America being one of the few holdouts.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What about the children? Did they deserve to die as well? What about the animals not saved by Noah? Did they deserve to die?

Your God is a sadist my friend, mass murder to prove a point to one family is just sick.

The parent is responsible for the minor child. Genesis (6:5) says the thoughts of their hearts were bad all of the time. The violent parents were teaching their children to be violent. Perhaps disease had spread to animal kind.

Left on its own the violent people would have not only killed off Noah and his family but they would have eventually turned on each other thus no one righteous would be left on earth. The earth was made for the righteous to inhabit- Psalm 37:11,29,38; Proverbs 2:21,22 not the violent.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Actually, the trend in most all advanced nations now is that capital punishment is unethical. America being one of the few holdouts.

If all of the people on earth except for 8 were violent to the point of killing others what would be the ethical course for those 8 people to follow?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

And what did the poor animals ever do? What was their crime?

Not crime. We do not know if somehow those animals were affected in some way. Where Scripture is silent we do not know.

What did the poor animals that are now extinct at 'man's hands' ever do?
God did not make the animals extinct.

 

[darkendless]

The parent is responsible for the minor child. Genesis (6:5) says the thoughts of their hearts were bad all of the time. The violent parents were teaching their children to be violent. Perhaps disease had spread to animal kind.

Left on its own the violent people would have not only killed off Noah and his family but they would have eventually turned on each other thus no one righteous would be left on earth. The earth was made for the righteous to inhabit- Psalm 37:11,29,38; Proverbs 2:21,22 not the violent.

God could have saved them from their parents, but he didn't, why? Why punish instead of re-educating the children?

The message in this book is terrible. Why remove the righteous instead of teaching them? With God's infinite powers why did he not help Noah to cleanse these people of their violence?

However, violence is all we see today. Obviously some of those little gretchins could swim pretty well haha. This is a disgrace, i cannot believe i'm even bothering.

 

[tumbleweed41]

All you have done so far is to prove the Abrahamic God is unethical.

Congratulations.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

Isn't there a difference between mass murder and an execution carried out for the sake of the just? Noah warned the people of the coming Flood. Just like today the people do not heed the warning that Jesus will come in action to rid the earth of the wicked. Instead of a Flood the words from Jesus mouth will be sharp enough to act as an executioner's sword. His war is a righteous war (Rev 19:11,15) because all righteous ones will be saved or delivered into a peaceful earth.

The Egyptians lived thru this flood with no problem. So did the Chinese. How did that happen?