In what way is describing her as a woman helpful?
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Non-Binary
- Thread starter Kfox
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I would describe Sam as a person with a Uterus instead of a Prostate, Ovaries instead of testies, an estrogen level much higher than her testosterones level, IOW I would list the biological differences between Sam and someone who is not a woman. This is because when you align gender with biology, there is an empirical difference between what is a man vs what is a woman
We Never Know
No Slack
And all surgery comes with risks.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, how do you know helpful?
Argentbear
Well-Known Member
No it's not \swelling around the nipples it is growth of breast tissue
Enlarged breasts in men (gynecomastia) - Symptoms and causes
Gynecomastia
Argentbear
Well-Known Member
Surgery for gynecomastia is not gender affirming surgery, it is a medical issue.
indicating gender affirming surgery is not a medical issue
Same thing. My point is, getting rid of gynecomastia is not to confirm your gender. Gender affirming surgery is to help people transition to their gender. Men with gynecomastia are not attempting to transition to something else.
Gender Confirmation Surgeries
Argentbear
Well-Known Member
Just to put the debate about gender affirming surgery in minors into perspective - in 2023 there were a total of 2 gender affirming surgeries performed on minors in the United States. Both were breast reduction surgeries, not mastectomies and done on 17 year olds. Ref. Temporal Trends in Gender Affirmation Surgery Among Transgender and Non-Binary Minors by Bashar Hassan, Ferris Zeitouni, Mona Ascha, Renata Sanders, and Fan Liang.
McBell
Unbound
Going back your APB scenario...
How will you know what genitalia they have unless you flat out ask?
So when you describe the APB suspect you will be giving a description of that person LOOKS to you.
Assumptions and all.
Unless of course you ask to see their genitalia..
But seeing as you brought up the APB scenario as an out ....
Okay; so it's a different type of medical issue; is that better?
On post #271 I made the comment that when you divorce biology from gender, gender becomes meaningless as a description of someone. On post #277 the person I was debating with said the entire medical community disagrees with me. Now whether or not I was correct or not is debatable, but to say the MEDICAL community disagrees? The medical community is not in the business of judging social constructs like gender as meaningless or not. Perhaps if he claimed socioliogists disagreed, it would be at least a little bit believable; but the medical community? Then of course everybody and their mother (even you) jumped in to defend this guy’s position who is long gone by now. Then it evolved into whether or not gyno surgery is gender affirming surgery. Even if it were (which I am not convinced it is) that does not refute my argument. Look; can we at least agree that he was wrong to claim the medical community disagreed?
Why are you so obsessed with genitalia?
Look! If the person looks like a biological female to me, I describe her as a woman among other things. Looking at her genitalia is not necessary If I'm wrong and it turns out to be a biological male who looks like a biological female to me, that's okay because it will probably be a biological male that looks like a biological female to everyone else too.
McBell
Unbound
You are the one who keeps bringing up physicality
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"Uterus instead of a Prostate, Ovaries instead of testies, an estrogen level much higher than her testosterones level"
if you do not know what genitals they have, how are you going to know what internal organs they have?
Argentbear
Well-Known Member
At one time sex and gender were interchangeable terms but medical science has realized this is not true. The health of an individual is not simply a product of biology but is also influenced by sociocultural and psychological experience.
With teens and young adults being the most vulnerable to sociocultural and peer pressure, as minors are not fully recognized as autonomous individuals yet.
If the word helps paint a picture in my head of what you are talking about, I call that helpful
Yes! I bring up the physical; you keep making it about genitals. There is a lot more physically about a woman than her genitals.
I don't have to know; an assumption is all that is needed
Is this just your opinion? Or do you know of a scientific theory that supports this
Can you provide an example of this?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Okay, since I am without the ability to have any inner pictures in my mind, I consider what you do subjective and not universal as it is not so for all humans. Hence I reject your way of doing it, because it has to be universal or it is meaningless according to your rules for how to do this.
So your explanation is not helpful and is in fact meaningless.
See, that game is as easy to apply to you as anybody else.
Are you saying you are incapable of imagination?
Not really, because most people capable of thought are also capable of imagination.
citation?