Non-Binary

[Kfox]

I have no inner picture or movie if you like. Ask me to see a cat in my mind's eye and I will answer that I can't.

So you are unable to imagine what a cat looks like? I am very sorry for you

So what you claimed is not universal and thus it is irrelevant, meaningless and not helpful.

No; most people can imagine what a cat looks like; the fact that you can't makes you the exception; not the rule.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So you are unable to imagine what a cat looks like? I am very sorry for you

No; most people can imagine what a cat looks like; the fact that you can't makes you the exception; not the rule.

It's a known condition:

Aphantasia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Kfox]

and yet it is being used as a description

That's because in the real world they have not divorced biology from gender. In the real world when someone speaks of a woman, 99.999% of the time they are talking about an adult female. When someone asks where is the women's room, it is known they are looking for the restrooms for females. When Carmen Best was announced as the first woman police chief, everybody knew she was an adult female; not a male. It's only places like here where nobody seems to know what a woman is; in the real world everybody knows.

 

[Kfox]

Pink is for girls and blue is for boys. That is gender and that is so far removed from biology that pink was nearly the color for boys.

No; those are gender RULES. Most such gender rules have been deemed sexist, out dated, and no longer apply.

 

[Kfox]

It's a known condition:

Aphantasia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

People born with 7 fingers on each hand is a known condition also! The question is, is it the exception or the rule?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

People born with 7 fingers on each hand is a known condition also! The question is, is it the exception or the rule?

I was just putting info out there.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No; those are gender RULES. Most such gender rules have been deemed sexist, out dated, and no longer apply.

Then why do where I work (I'm a phlebotomist) the guys have thus far all objected to pink coban wrap on thier arm while some of the gals have objected to blue?
And do stop trying to split hairs. Gender typed, gender norms, gender rules, they're all largely interchangable and it only serves to annoy to try to make a point over this. It's understood, move along.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's because in the real world they have not divorced biology from gender. In the real world when someone speaks of a woman, 99.999% of the time they are talking about an adult female. When someone asks where is the women's room, it is known they are looking for the restrooms for females. When Carmen Best was announced as the first woman police chief, everybody knew she was an adult female; not a male. It's only places like here where nobody seems to know what a woman is; in the real world everybody knows.

Yeah. And in the real world, even before I accepted myself as trans people would refer to me using female pronouns. This is because people look for certain queus to help move them along. This happens largely unconsciously, and when we see how people are dressed and behave, even without directly looking our brains tend to assign male or female based on social queues the brain thinks it saw.

 

[The Hammer]

Gender Stereotypes do exist.

 

[We Never Know]

Yeah. And in the real world, even before I accepted myself as trans people would refer to me using female pronouns. This is because people look for certain queus to help move them along. This happens largely unconsciously, and when we see how people are dressed and behave, even without directly looking our brains tend to assign male or female based on social queues the brain thinks it saw.

Sex is physical
Gender is mental

Mental not aligning with sex is a mental condition, issue, problem, etc.
I don't say that because I hate them, fear them or because I am a transphobe. It is what it is.

Someone with schizophrenia I will say they have a mental issue, condition, problem etc.
I don't say that because I hate them, fear them or because I am a schizphobe. It is what it is.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Sex is physical
Gender is mental

Mental not aligning with sex is a mental condition, issue, problem, etc.
I don't say that because I hate them, fear them or because I am a transphobe. It is what it is.

Someone with schizophrenia I will say they have a mental issue, condition, problem etc.
I don't say that because I hate them, fear them or because I am a schizphobe. It is what it is.

Comparing it to schizophrenia, yes that is hateful amd a screaming admission of ignorance of both gender dysphoria and schizophrenia.

 

[We Never Know]

Comparing it to schizophrenia, yes that is hateful amd a screaming admission of ignorance of both gender dysphoria and schizophrenia.

I didn't compare it. Maybe you did in your mind.

A mental issue is a mental issue no matter what issue it is. That's my point.

 

[We Never Know]

Comparing it to schizophrenia, yes that is hateful amd a screaming admission of ignorance of both gender dysphoria and schizophrenia.

Its like when anyone says a mass shooter has a mental problem.
Others say don't say that it stigmatizes us/others.
Well... people without mental issues just don't wake up one day and say, Its a good day to go out and shoot 20 people. It is what it is.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I didn't compare it. Maybe you did in your mind.

A mental issue is a mental issue no matter what issue it is. That's my point.

That's how conservative bigots compare homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality.
And try talking to a real mental health expert about this before you make yourself look entirely ignorant. Is a physical injury a physical injury no matter what? Of course not. An open bone fracture is a world's difference from a hematoma is a world's difference from concussion is a world's difference from a minor cut. You don't treat them the same, you must seek emergency care for some, some you may not even notice when it happens.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Its like when anyone says a mass shooter has a mental problem.

Many times they don't and there is no history of mental issues.

Others say don't say that it stigmatizes us/others.

It does exactly that because not all mental illnesses are the same but it gives the public at large the illusion that those who are more likely to be victims of violence are more likely to assailants.

Well... people without mental issues just don't wake up one day and say, Its a good day to go out and shoot 20 people. It is what it is.

Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Andrew Jackson, they all more or less woke up one day and decided millions must die.
Yes, healthy people kill other people. Try actually studying real crime, including "regular" murders, mass shootings and serial killers. The serial killers are the only ones with a consistent history of profound mentel illness. Everyboyldy else more or less is just human amd accidents happen, emotions flair, people get pushed over the edge and dire situations happen.
Yes, some shooters do have a history of mental illness, but lets not lump autism and adhd in with the criminally insane.

 

[We Never Know]

That's how conservative bigots compare homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality.
And try talking to a real mental health expert about this before you make yourself look entirely ignorant. Is a physical injury a physical injury no matter what? Of course not. An open bone fracture is a world's difference from a hematoma is a world's difference from concussion is a world's difference from a minor cut. You don't treat them the same, you must seek emergency care for some, some you may not even notice when it happens.

Lol. A physical injury is a physical injury. Whether its a bone fracture, hemotoma, concussion.. They all are physical injuries.

If your disagree, which one isn't a physical injury?

 

[We Never Know]

Many times they don't and there is no history of mental issues.

It does exactly that because not all mental illnesses are the same but it gives the public at large the illusion that those who are more likely to be victims of violence are more likely to assailants.

Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Andrew Jackson, they all more or less woke up one day and decided millions must die.
Yes, healthy people kill other people. Try actually studying real crime, including "regular" murders, mass shootings and serial killers. The serial killers are the only ones with a consistent history of profound mentel illness. Everyboyldy else more or less is just human amd accidents happen, emotions flair, people get pushed over the edge and dire situations happen.
Yes, some shooters do have a history of mental illness, but lets not lump autism and adhd in with the criminally insane.

Lets take Hitler ... The first in your list...

Paranoid delusions, persecution mania, and selfish and narcissistic attitude characterized him to his final days and contrasting attitudes towards the Jews and animals point towards a serious personality disorder, as suggested by a number of researchers.

Adolf Hitler and His Parkinsonism - PMC

Research works have suggested almost incontrovertibly, that Adolf Hitler suffered from Parkinsonism. However, the precise nature of his illness had always been controversial and post-encephalitic and idiopathic varieties were the ones which were ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So you were saying?

He doesn't seem mentally stable to me. How about you?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Lol. A physical injury is a physical injury. Whether its a bone fracture, hemotoma, concussion.. They all are physical injuries.

If your disagree, which one isn't a physical injury?

They are far too different in nature to simply sum up as all the same. I have a bruise on my arm amd I have no idea where it came from because it's that minor. But an open bone fracture? That debilitating and life altering for several months.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Lets take Hitler ... The first in your list...

Paranoid delusions, persecution mania, and selfish and narcissistic attitude characterized him to his final days and contrasting attitudes towards the Jews and animals point towards a serious personality disorder, as suggested by a number of researchers.

Adolf Hitler and His Parkinsonism - PMC

Research works have suggested almost incontrovertibly, that Adolf Hitler suffered from Parkinsonism. However, the precise nature of his illness had always been controversial and post-encephalitic and idiopathic varieties were the ones which were ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So you were saying?

He doesn't seem mentally stable to me. How about you?

You can't diagnose a dead person and he was a hater and killer before he showed any indications he may have had Parkisons.

 

[We Never Know]

They are far too different in nature to simply sum up as all the same. I have a bruise on my arm amd I have no idea where it came from because it's that minor. But an open bone fracture? That debilitating and life altering for several months.

Are they all physical injuries?