What are some of these gender roles that are still the norm?
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And that's what makes gender meaningless.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Combining my current job in healthcare with my job in mental healthcare I have worked with a whopping grand total of six guys. That's it. Dozens of female coworkers though.
That's because many jobs and positions are still gender typed.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
If we make that into a deduction of sorts, it is not valid. You have to give a reason for how that is so and how you know it.
I have never understood non-binarity.
In sex there is a passive part and an active part...so...the binary system applies.
Whatever you wanna call the active and the passive part...
In sex there is a passive part and an active part...so...the binary system applies.
Whatever you wanna call the active and the passive part...
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, depending on postion active and passive can change. So if we use male and female as per your claim, I can be both depending on position.
No. The active part is the one that penetrates the other. Position is irrelevant.
You need to be blunt and clear on this.
McBell
Unbound
How does that work if there is no penetration?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah and with "aides" it still switches.
Right...there are gay women...who have sex, so there are not specified roles.
Honestly I don't know what two gay women in bed do, and I don't even want to know...with all due respect for them.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Or 2 gay men, who don't do your version of active and passive.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
I don't see people saying that they magically change their biology with the use of pronouns, but I do see people wanting to be socially treated in certain ways, and for non-binary folks, they don't want gender to be the defining factor.
Again, it comes down to this idea of people advertising their biology. You think they should, it appears. People's pronoun usage should match their genitals, average bone density and heart rate, and genetics?
It's only meaningless if you have nothing between your ears.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Sex evolved in nature to add genetic diversity to procreation, via the merger of male and female DNA. Male-male or female-female DNA will not merge via sex and lead to procreation, if one is not aware. Sexual desire is like a natural carrot on the string that leads to sex and then to procreation. This desire is needed since both sexes are conscious and moving targets with other instincts, and consciousness needs a target and a lingering drive to fulfill the needs of procreation.
In nature, many animals breed in the spring, with various triggers arousing the desire, that leads to colorful displays, competition and procreation. The trigger are often pheromones, used to induce desire and help create a target, timed out to optimize procreation at a time of year, best for child raising; good food supply. Men and women are different into terms of their physiques; secondary physical characteristics, to make the target easier to see, so even a caveman can do it. If you believe natural selection these differences serve a natural purpose.
Eating works the same way. The primary goal of eating to feed the body food and nutrition. The enjoyment of eating is also like a carrot on the string that leads us to feed the body. We get hungry based on a timed feeling, in the stomach, which signals; hunger. We sense that it is time to feed the body. Our energy and consciousness then animates and works to gather and prepare the food we like to eat.
Problems arise when the carrot on the string is mistaken for the prime directive, and the carrot is not seen as the carrot on the string. For example, there are people who enjoy eating so much, that they will harm their health; obesity and related issues. This type of behavior exceeds the natural food needs of the body. It is connected more to ego consciousness; cart before the horse. This is where gender and non-binary come in. Cart before the horse desire may seek a blowup doll, loaf of bread, or an animal since the cart of desire is without any natural procreation requirements; inner self.
Much of this inversion phenomena has to do with marketing. Much of marketing is designed to increase ego desire for goods and services, even where there is no need; market new products. The goal is to create a psychological desire, in the ego, through fads, triggers and hype. For example, sports cars are often marketed to men as making them; male plus car, a babe magnet. In the old days, rather than change your sex, you would buy a sport car and put that cart before the horse. Rather than dressed in drag, you were dressed with a Corvette as part of your image.
The problem was the gender fad was marketed to school ages children, in public schools by teachers, as though this was educational and not just manipulative. It was an attempt to make them more receptive to other Liberal market carts before horses. Gender became the new toy that all the children thought they needed to be cool or popular. There was not just the carrot, but also a stick to punish non conformity. It is an amalgam of natural teen desire; carrot, mixed with a marketing angle and a mafia protection racket angle; psychological amalgam. Transgender is a boom for the cosmetic, fashion and even entertainment industries.
When male and female breed, the offspring have genes from both the father and the mother. If you come out as a biological male or female, the opposite sex genes are also part of you and your consciousness. They tend to define the sex/gender of the unconscious mind. Men have a female side; anima, and females have a male side; animus. In the case of the gender fad, confusion has been added to the ego. In other words, the female side of a male and male side of a female are a fluid part of a whole, but this became confused, so a part becomes the whole. Binary is not just a set of two people; male and female, but also the internal binary male-anima or female-animus. Nonbinary breaks the internal symmetry or shifts it too far one way, usually to the unconscious mind.
Feminism and the push by women to assume the roles of men combined with the breakup of the family and the negativity marketing toward the natural male, create ambiguity in the internal binary, and has resulted in a psychological inversion that is not natural; store bought. All the Liberal concern about eating organic, animal rights and save the planet, etc., is a reflection of becoming unnatural, but not conscious enough to realize that this problem is inside you, but is being projected outward. This organic requirements are less needed by traditional male and female, since they are not trying to become conscious of a problem they do not have.
On the bright side, the anima and animus are not the highest level firmware. These are middle level. If you go even deeper a more mature version of male and female appears that are related to your biological sex. These are archetypes of meaning, beyond the desire impulses of the middle level firmware. Instead of being black box blind to marketing and impulse, it all makes sense.
In nature, many animals breed in the spring, with various triggers arousing the desire, that leads to colorful displays, competition and procreation. The trigger are often pheromones, used to induce desire and help create a target, timed out to optimize procreation at a time of year, best for child raising; good food supply. Men and women are different into terms of their physiques; secondary physical characteristics, to make the target easier to see, so even a caveman can do it. If you believe natural selection these differences serve a natural purpose.
Eating works the same way. The primary goal of eating to feed the body food and nutrition. The enjoyment of eating is also like a carrot on the string that leads us to feed the body. We get hungry based on a timed feeling, in the stomach, which signals; hunger. We sense that it is time to feed the body. Our energy and consciousness then animates and works to gather and prepare the food we like to eat.
Problems arise when the carrot on the string is mistaken for the prime directive, and the carrot is not seen as the carrot on the string. For example, there are people who enjoy eating so much, that they will harm their health; obesity and related issues. This type of behavior exceeds the natural food needs of the body. It is connected more to ego consciousness; cart before the horse. This is where gender and non-binary come in. Cart before the horse desire may seek a blowup doll, loaf of bread, or an animal since the cart of desire is without any natural procreation requirements; inner self.
Much of this inversion phenomena has to do with marketing. Much of marketing is designed to increase ego desire for goods and services, even where there is no need; market new products. The goal is to create a psychological desire, in the ego, through fads, triggers and hype. For example, sports cars are often marketed to men as making them; male plus car, a babe magnet. In the old days, rather than change your sex, you would buy a sport car and put that cart before the horse. Rather than dressed in drag, you were dressed with a Corvette as part of your image.
The problem was the gender fad was marketed to school ages children, in public schools by teachers, as though this was educational and not just manipulative. It was an attempt to make them more receptive to other Liberal market carts before horses. Gender became the new toy that all the children thought they needed to be cool or popular. There was not just the carrot, but also a stick to punish non conformity. It is an amalgam of natural teen desire; carrot, mixed with a marketing angle and a mafia protection racket angle; psychological amalgam. Transgender is a boom for the cosmetic, fashion and even entertainment industries.
When male and female breed, the offspring have genes from both the father and the mother. If you come out as a biological male or female, the opposite sex genes are also part of you and your consciousness. They tend to define the sex/gender of the unconscious mind. Men have a female side; anima, and females have a male side; animus. In the case of the gender fad, confusion has been added to the ego. In other words, the female side of a male and male side of a female are a fluid part of a whole, but this became confused, so a part becomes the whole. Binary is not just a set of two people; male and female, but also the internal binary male-anima or female-animus. Nonbinary breaks the internal symmetry or shifts it too far one way, usually to the unconscious mind.
Feminism and the push by women to assume the roles of men combined with the breakup of the family and the negativity marketing toward the natural male, create ambiguity in the internal binary, and has resulted in a psychological inversion that is not natural; store bought. All the Liberal concern about eating organic, animal rights and save the planet, etc., is a reflection of becoming unnatural, but not conscious enough to realize that this problem is inside you, but is being projected outward. This organic requirements are less needed by traditional male and female, since they are not trying to become conscious of a problem they do not have.
On the bright side, the anima and animus are not the highest level firmware. These are middle level. If you go even deeper a more mature version of male and female appears that are related to your biological sex. These are archetypes of meaning, beyond the desire impulses of the middle level firmware. Instead of being black box blind to marketing and impulse, it all makes sense.
Maninthemiddle
Active Member
I personally don’t see Sex and Gender as different, I was simply answered their question.
They may ask what a leprechaun is and I will give a description however I don’t believe in them.
Not sure what you mean by gender typed, but as far as gender rolls, my job employs 99% men; rarely do women even apply. But gender rolls have nothing to do with this, it's just that there are some jobs women prefer, and other jobs men prefer.
I'm saying if gender is based on your thoughts, and these thoughts vary from person to person, I don't see any meaning behind gender if defined this way; do you? If so, where is the meaning???
Nobody is suggesting they are.
Deciding factor? Deciding In what way?
Nobody is talking about "advertising" their biology, just recognizing our differences due to biology; big difference.
Perhaps this will help you: the brains of transgender women are shifted towards the female brain compared to cis males.
Brain Sex in Transgender Women Is Shifted towards Gender Identity - PMC
Transgender people report discomfort with their birth sex and a strong identification with the opposite sex. The current study was designed to shed further light on the question of whether the brains of transgender people resemble their birth sex or ...
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Basically it means stereotyped to one gender or the other.
That is very true. But certain jobs are traditionally for men and others for women with there being no real or apparent reasond beyond it's how society decided it should be.
It doesn't make it meaningless. It actually makes it quite fascinating because each each culture and time has decided whats appropriate for men and women and third amd fourth sexes, and there's great variance, a deal of over lap, and the only thing we can say for certain is though there is nothing objective in how gender is expressed most people have a natural draw towards one or the other and inclinations to behave as others of the same sex in their society behave. But how do they behave? We just have to examine the specific culture in question.