Non-Christians obsessed with Christianity

[tayla]

Seems a lot of people who are not Christians are obsessed with Christianity. As if they still struggle with whether or not it is true.

The claims of Christianity are not true, and the Bible is fiction. It contradicts science, archaeology, common sense, and document analysis.

It is worthwhile to learn about this topic. But once realizing the truth of the matter, it seems to me, the proper response is to wholeheartedly believe, to let go of the lie. Perhaps some will want to share their understandings about the topic with others.

But it seems to me, many claim to doubt the truth claims of Christianity, but yet hang on to its ideas as if they are true even though the source of the ideas is false. For example, they worry about sin. But sin is only meaningful in the context of the Christian view of God and his creation of humans and his judgement of those who reject him. If those claims are not true, the concept of sin vanishes.

 

[Nous]

Seems a lot of people who are not Christians are obsessed with Christianity. As if they still struggle with whether or not it is true.

I agree with your observation here. I find it a very odd thing. I don't know how to explain it. I change my mind about a lot of things, yet I don't find myself obsessed with those conclusions or propositions or beliefs that I reject.

I don't think it's a healthy thing to have any such active animus toward Christianity or, for that matter, any religion.

 

[Valjean]

I don't think it vanishes. Don't almost all cultures have concepts of right and wrong; good behavior and bad? Call it what you will.
A rose by any other name...

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Seems a lot of people who are not Christians are obsessed with Christianity. As if they still struggle with whether or not it is true.

The claims of Christianity are not true, and the Bible is fiction. It contradicts science, archaeology, common sense, and document analysis.

It is worthwhile to learn about this topic. But once realizing the truth of the matter, it seems to me, the proper response is to wholeheartedly believe, to let go of the lie. Perhaps some will want to share their understandings about the topic with others.

But it seems to me, many claim to doubt the truth claims of Christianity, but yet hang on to its ideas as if they are true even though the source of the ideas is false. For example, they worry about sin. But sin is only meaningful in the context of the Christian view of God and his creation of humans and his judgement of those who reject him. If those claims are not true, the concept of sin vanishes.

Yeah. I remember asking this years ago. I dont think a lot of atheists are concerned about christianity off line. Though, online, it does tend to have interesting results do to some of their backgrounds or environmental influence.

The rest, in U.S. at least, christian worldview is embedded in our culture. There is a notion we are innocent until proven guilty. But if an external party or your lovers friend say you did something wrong to which you arent aware, there is a consensus the person is at fault first and need to prove himself innoncent. Especially-when there are other witnesses and a report.

In other words, original sin.

There is an issue with the guilty (say murderers) are a product and defined by their crimes. So, a serial killer deserves death (sinners deserve eternal punisment) unless there is a savior (maybe somone to pay the bail) on that prisioners behalf.

In other words, the eternal punishment (death) for crimes only our government/god determines is morally justifable or use of rehabilitation.

In order to drop unhealthy ideas such as inherited sin and eternal punishment is you really have to change society as a whole. When you are indoctrinated in these terms, its not purelly a -christian- thing on false beliefs but highly political in nature. In other words, its no longer religiously motivated.

Individually, I wouldnt blame a lot of atheists (not as a whole) for using and believing in christian theology in other languages and concepts. Its very hard to get out of indoctrination. Not specically at home but everywhere.

I wish christians understood and can see this. Once they do, maybe it will let up a bit. But, like my friend as well as coworker said, she/some people dont want to hear their views challenged, it will challenge their faith.

 

[David T]

Seems a lot of people who are not Christians are obsessed with Christianity. As if they still struggle with whether or not it is true.

The claims of Christianity are not true, and the Bible is fiction. It contradicts science, archaeology, common sense, and document analysis.

It is worthwhile to learn about this topic. But once realizing the truth of the matter, it seems to me, the proper response is to wholeheartedly believe, to let go of the lie. Perhaps some will want to share their understandings about the topic with others.

But it seems to me, many claim to doubt the truth claims of Christianity, but yet hang on to its ideas as if they are true even though the source of the ideas is false. For example, they worry about sin. But sin is only meaningful in the context of the Christian view of God and his creation of humans and his judgement of those who reject him. If those claims are not true, the concept of sin vanishes.

Oh a southern baptist in secular drag! They believe so what!

Might want to actually learn how to read before aligning your reading comprehension skill set with your brethern southern baptists! Nothing to brag about.

 

[John53]

Seems a lot of people who are not Christians are obsessed with Christianity. As if they still struggle with whether or not it is true.

The claims of Christianity are not true, and the Bible is fiction. It contradicts science, archaeology, common sense, and document analysis.

It is worthwhile to learn about this topic. But once realizing the truth of the matter, it seems to me, the proper response is to wholeheartedly believe, to let go of the lie. Perhaps some will want to share their understandings about the topic with others.

But it seems to me, many claim to doubt the truth claims of Christianity, but yet hang on to its ideas as if they are true even though the source of the ideas is false. For example, they worry about sin. But sin is only meaningful in the context of the Christian view of God and his creation of humans and his judgement of those who reject him. If those claims are not true, the concept of sin vanishes.

I don't see why it has to be all good/true or all bad/lie. I'm not a Christian but I do use parts of it in my life (or at least try), for example I try and treat others how I would like to be treated. Also I see no harm in being interested in or enjoying discussing something I don't believe.

 

[Trackdayguy]

Maybe some can't let it go because they were brought up in it, rejected it but the long term brain paths keep trying to draw them back, so they become obsessed with trying to disprove what they dont believe.

It takes a long time to get free of being deceived.

 

[Ellen Brown]

Seems a lot of people who are not Christians are obsessed with Christianity. As if they still struggle with whether or not it is true.

The claims of Christianity are not true, and the Bible is fiction. It contradicts science, archaeology, common sense, and document analysis.

It is worthwhile to learn about this topic. But once realizing the truth of the matter, it seems to me, the proper response is to wholeheartedly believe, to let go of the lie. Perhaps some will want to share their understandings about the topic with others.

But it seems to me, many claim to doubt the truth claims of Christianity, but yet hang on to its ideas as if they are true even though the source of the ideas is false. For example, they worry about sin. But sin is only meaningful in the context of the Christian view of God and his creation of humans and his judgement of those who reject him. If those claims are not true, the concept of sin vanishes.

To those who were not conditioned, or brain washed by the establishment, several things about organized religion, to include Judaism and Islam, may well be pure hokum. I'll throw out a few that may cause the religious elect to want to burn me at the stake. There is no Trinity. There is no Original Sin, no Transubstantiation, and no fish on Friday.

There are no self named religious elect. God makes pleasing him astonishingly simple as is illustrated in Micah 6:8, yet those with a "high need for authority" who assume to run religion, seek to make it all demanding, almost impossible. Wait til they have a millstone around their necks, and I pray that I am not one to offend God.

I'm in a place where throwing most of religion out makes the most sense. Further, it seems that Quantum Mechanics applied in the theological world may solve many issues.

 

[columbus]

Seems a lot of people who are not Christians are obsessed with Christianity.

Perhaps you spend too much time on the internet, take forums too seriously, and don't get out into the real world enough?
Tom

 

[Twilight Hue]

Seems a lot of people who are not Christians are obsessed with Christianity. As if they still struggle with whether or not it is true.

The claims of Christianity are not true, and the Bible is fiction. It contradicts science, archaeology, common sense, and document analysis.

It is worthwhile to learn about this topic. But once realizing the truth of the matter, it seems to me, the proper response is to wholeheartedly believe, to let go of the lie. Perhaps some will want to share their understandings about the topic with others.

But it seems to me, many claim to doubt the truth claims of Christianity, but yet hang on to its ideas as if they are true even though the source of the ideas is false. For example, they worry about sin. But sin is only meaningful in the context of the Christian view of God and his creation of humans and his judgement of those who reject him. If those claims are not true, the concept of sin vanishes.

Christianity is just so insanely bizarre and nonsensical that it's like watching one of those accidents where you turn your head and and then you somehow end up being involved in the accident itself.

 

[Jumi]

Well if we take a slightly exaggerated cynical angle, there are lots of people obsessed with things they are not, Islam, Christianity, Atheism, Judaism, Paganism, Materialism...

 

[Skwim]

Seems a lot of people who are not Christians are obsessed with Christianity. As if they still struggle with whether or not it is true.

The claims of Christianity are not true, and the Bible is fiction. It contradicts science, archaeology, common sense, and document analysis.

It is worthwhile to learn about this topic. But once realizing the truth of the matter, it seems to me, the proper response is to wholeheartedly believe, to let go of the lie. Perhaps some will want to share their understandings about the topic with others.

But it seems to me, many claim to doubt the truth claims of Christianity, but yet hang on to its ideas as if they are true even though the source of the ideas is false. For example, they worry about sin. But sin is only meaningful in the context of the Christian view of God and his creation of humans and his judgement of those who reject him. If those claims are not true, the concept of sin vanishes.

In many ways Christianity in the USA has made an enemy of itself. Its members have time and again succeeded in blithely stomping on the Constitution's First Amendment: It's members have tried to interject it's beliefs and practices in our public schools. It's members have enacted limiting laws based solely on their religious beliefs. It's members have succeeded in establishing it's religious symbols on public property. Its members have succeeded in getting their belief imprinted on our secular currency. Its members have succeeded in establishing its Bible as the symbol of truth in our courts. Its members have succeeded in transforming its moral values as cultural imperatives. Its members . . . . . . . . If members of any other religion tried to do the same today rifle shots would be ringing out from every clock tower in the country.

In many ways Christianity has not been all that healthy for the land, which is why it deserves to be monitored and attention paid to its members, perhaps even changing their minds a bit in hopes of creating a less biased and more equitable nation.



That, and it's simply fun to debate them.

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[Looncall]

To those who were not conditioned, or brain washed by the establishment, several things about organized religion, to include Judaism and Islam, may well be pure hokum. I'll throw out a few that may cause the religious elect to want to burn me at the stake. There is no Trinity. There is no Original Sin, no Transubstantiation, and no fish on Friday.

There are no self named religious elect. God makes pleasing him astonishingly simple as is illustrated in Micah 6:8, yet those with a "high need for authority" who assume to run religion, seek to make it all demanding, almost impossible. Wait til they have a millstone around their necks, and I pray that I am not one to offend God.

I'm in a place where throwing most of religion out makes the most sense. Further, it seems that Quantum Mechanics applied in the theological world may solve many issues.

Interesting. How does one apply QM to theology?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Seems a lot of people who are not Christians are obsessed with Christianity. As if they still struggle with whether or not it is true.

You think so? You are welcome. I mostly dismiss Abrahamic religions at first sight.

 

[osgart]

If you grow up christian and are not a christian, still, the ideas get ingrained into your thinking.

 

[Jainarayan]

The Christian overculture of the western world affects everyone. I’m not Christian anymore but when Christians lobby for legislation based on their religious beliefs, that affects me even as a Hindu. Even now there are Christian groups trying to circumvent the US Supreme Court’s ruling legalizing same sex marriage. So yeah, what Christians do is of concern to me.

 

[Vinayaka]

Attachment is attachment, regardless of whether it's obsessive love, or obsessive hate. The folks who are anti-pornography can think more about pornography than porn addicts, without realising it. Smokers trying to quit often think more about it that when they were smoking.

So emotional detachment, and how to achieve it are key.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Seems a lot of people who are not Christians are obsessed with Christianity. As if they still struggle with whether or not it is true.

I haven't encountered any non-Christian that I would say is obsessed with Christianity or struggling with whether it is true or not. The god of the Christian Bible is easily ruled out. It's logically impossible to be both perfect and to make errors that the deity regrets, for example, or to be omniscient and have or grant free will.

Gods may or might not exist - who can say that there isn't one that we can't detect? - but not logically impossible ones, the ones with mutually exclusive qualities held simultaneously. So one never need concern himself with the possibility that the religion isn't a purely human construct.

I see obsession in the Christians, however. We have one poster who has been posting pretty pictures as evidence of God and informing us of how horrible the world and mankind are.for as long as I've been posting on RF. This poster just keeps repeating that message to a group that either already agree with him/her or never will.

Many seemed obsessed with evolutionary science, or science in general, working assiduously to undermine its authority. They come looking for us, and many of us enjoy engaging them.

but when Christians lobby for legislation based on their religious beliefs, that affects me even as a Hindu. Even now there are Christian groups trying to circumvent the US Supreme Court’s ruling legalizing same sex marriage. So yeah, what Christians do is of concern to me.

Nor do you seem obsessed by this matter, but legitimately concerned, and well you should be. The American church labors endlessly to pierce the church-state wall and impose its will and values on unbelievers through the might of government. That's vigilance in defense of the US Constitution and defense of freedom from religion.

 

[Audie]

Seems a lot of people who are not Christians are obsessed with Christianity. As if they still struggle with whether or not it is true.

The claims of Christianity are not true, and the Bible is fiction. It contradicts science, archaeology, common sense, and document analysis.

It is worthwhile to learn about this topic. But once realizing the truth of the matter, it seems to me, the proper response is to wholeheartedly believe, to let go of the lie. Perhaps some will want to share their understandings about the topic with others.

But it seems to me, many claim to doubt the truth claims of Christianity, but yet hang on to its ideas as if they are true even though the source of the ideas is false. For example, they worry about sin. But sin is only meaningful in the context of the Christian view of God and his creation of humans and his judgement of those who reject him. If those claims are not true, the concept of sin vanishes.

Maybe specifics rather than fuzzy generalities
about how persons unknown may feel, in your opinion?

 

[Twilight Hue]

If you grow up christian and are not a christian, still, the ideas get ingrained into your thinking.

That's true. Even, ExChristians like myself. It does get to a point where you just want to look at other Christians that continually keep going on about it and pushing their beliefs on to people, to say or even yell back from time to time for them to just wake up and take a reality check.