Non-crime hate incidents - yet another not-at-all-Orwellian reality

[Twilight Hue]

Three republican politicians just deliberately posted the photo online of a man that had nothing to do with the shootings in KC and who is not an illegal alien, claiming that he is an illegal alien and was one of the shooters. The reason they did this, of course, was to take the focus off the idiotic availability of guns in their state and put it on the pet republican issue of our phony broken border.

Was this free speech? Wasn't it deliberately intended to drum up hatred toward this man and toward anyone that looks like they might be an "illegal alien" even though he had nothing to do with the shootings or with illegal aliens, for their own political purposes? Should he have no recourse or protection from this? That idiot Curtis Sliwa recently did the same thing on live TV in New York.

No right can be absolute. That would be idiocy. So the only real question is how do we limit free speech and how will we enforce those limitations.

Just join any totalitarian country of your liking. They gladly limit and enforce speech just to your liking.

Pleasant travels.

 

[ChristineM]

So the premise is to attack speech preemptively assuming something is always going to happen? Paranoid much?

Something will happen, there are racist ****s around who will ensure it does happen. My twins and myself have been the victim of racist verbal (and physical) abuse on more than one occasion. Death threats tend to drive home that unfortunately racism is alive and well.

 

[ChristineM]

Just join any totalitarian country of your liking. They gladly limit and enforce speech just to your liking.

Pleasant travels.

How sad

 

[Revoltingest]

Not if you're female it doesn't.

Females I know much prefer to live here.
Some moved from Europe.
It all depends what you want to have or avoid.

Not if the far right politics makes you sick it doesn't.

It's not so bad if you don't doomscroll.

Not if religious funnymentalism is rife it doesn't
And your favourite, not if the police are as you describe them it doesn't.

We're slowly getting a handle o reigning bad policing.
It's far far better here than it was decades ago.

You focus upon what you see here that you dislike.
I look at the balance. And that suits me.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hate speech caused the murder of approx 6million Jews. As bad as undue censorship is do you really think it has a better track record?

Restricting hate speech has killed even more in
USSR, N Korea, & other countries. It's all about
what "hate" is. Give government great power
to control what's said, & it risks expansion.
If our current government prosecuted hate speech,
it would likely become illegal to criticize Israel,
or to advocate for Palestinians. We've seen how
Congress handles its own members.

Note that your 6 million Jews (& many millions
more of unmentioned victims) died because the
hate speech was wielded by government itself.

 

[ChristineM]

Females I know much prefer to live here.

I have the opposite experience...

Some moved from Europe.
It all depends what you want to have or avoid.

...With people who moved from America.

It's not so bad if you don't doomscroll.

I don't and it's still not so good

We're slowly getting a handle o reigning bad policing.
It's far far better here than it was decades ago.

Slowly enough for you to post about it regularly

You focus upon what you see here that you dislike.
I look at the balance. And that suits me.

I don't work with clairvoyance and magic

Nope you look at what suites you without any balance

 

[Revoltingest]

I have the opposite experience...

To each their own.

...With people who moved from America.

Individual preferences vary.

I don't and it's still not so good

You don't live here, so you don't
experience what many of us do.
And we each weigh the many
advantages & disadvantages
differently.

Slowly enough for you to post about it regularly

The fact that USA has many problems doesn't
mean it's not the best place for many to live.
You fled England's corrupt cops to live with....

French police forces are among Europe’s most brutal: is de-escalation possible?

The brutal methods employed by the French police to maintain order during protests contrast with those of its European neighbours.

theconversation.com

Your choice was good for you & yours.
But it wouldn't be for me & mine.

I don't work with clairvoyance and magic

I thought you don't work at all.

Nope you look at what suites you without any balance

Are you really so unaware of my views on what's
good here & what's bad here, & why I prefer to
live here than other places? I don't think so.

BTW, you don't know how to spell "suits".

 

[Kenny]

Except it's ********. See post #3.

Thank you… have much doubt about a subjective position of what constitutes “debater, satire et al”. Humor, especially, is in the ear of the hearer. I’ve seen how what began with good intentions ends up with wrong results.

Have someone humorously make a joke on trans people and watch what happens.

 

[ChristineM]

To each their own.

Yes

Individual preferences vary.

Yes

You don't live here, so you don't
experience what many of us do.
And we each weigh the many
advantages & disadvantages
differently.

Vice versa and yes

The fact that USA has many problems doesn't
mean it's not the best place for many to live.
You fled England's corrupt cops

Nope, i fled England for many reasons bit cops wasn't one of them .

Your choice was good for you & yours.
But it wouldn't be for me & mine.

Yes for us,
Your decision.

I thought you don't work at all.

You have a very weird idea of retirement.

Are you really so unaware of my views on what's
good here & what's bad here, & why I prefer to
live here than other places? I don't think so.

Nope.

BTW, you don't know how to spell "suits".

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes



Yes



Vice versa and yes


Nope, i fled England for many reasons bit cops wasn't one of them .



Yes for us,
Your decision.



You have a very weird idea of retirement.



Nope.




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I'll make you a deal....
You live in Froggistan.
I'll live in USA.
We'll both enjoy where we are.

 

[ChristineM]

I'll make you a deal....
You live in Froggistan.
I'll live in USA.
We'll both enjoy where we are.

Sound good to me, shake on it...

 

[Secret Chief]

So the premise is to attack speech preemptively assuming something is always going to happen? Paranoid much?

Attack hate speech yes. Not because something is always going to happen, I didn't say that.
Not paranoid, but can be a fundamental mark of a civilised society. Not unheard of outside of the US.

 

[Secret Chief]

Just join any totalitarian country of your liking.

Could you provide a list of these?

 

[Revoltingest]

Attack hate speech yes.

What kind of attacks do you envision / adovcate?

 

[Secret Chief]

What kind of attacks do you envision / adovcate?

Laws.

"The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both."

Hate speech laws in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

 

[Revoltingest]

Laws.
Hate speech laws in the United King

From your link...
On 2 September 2006, Stephen Green was arrested in Cardiff for distributing pamphlets which called sexual activity between members of the same sex a sin. On 28 September 2006, the Crown advised Cardiff Magistrates Court that it would not proceed with the prosecution.[19][20]


That seems like a country full of fragile snowflakes
willing to spend a lot of money to prosecute insults
& religious beliefs.
Arresting, prosecuting, & imprisoning people strikes
me as a solution worse than the problem.

 

[Secret Chief]

From your link...
On 2 September 2006, Stephen Green was arrested in Cardiff for distributing pamphlets which called sexual activity between members of the same sex a sin. On 28 September 2006, the Crown advised Cardiff Magistrates Court that it would not proceed with the prosecution.[19][20]


That seems like a country full of fragile snowflakes
willing to spend a lot of money to prosecute insults
& religious beliefs.
Arresting, prosecuting, & imprisoning people strikes
me as a solution worse than the problem.

Hence your satisfaction with living in Revoltingstan.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hence your satisfaction with living in Revoltingstan.

Aye, we don't need government to impose
civility under threat of prosecution.

 

[PureX]

Aye, we don't need government to impose
civility under threat of prosecution.

That's right. This is America, where civility is imposed by the barrel of a gun.

 

[ChristineM]

That's right. This is America, where civility is imposed by the barrel of a gun.

Sad but true