samtonga43
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Are you saying that you are not open to the possibility that your beliefs are false?
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Trailblazer
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That's true.
CG Didymus
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And are the Baha'i beliefs about the afterlife right for you? Or... regardless of what you or anyone else thinks of them, they are the truth? Now, is what is taught in the Baha'i writings about the afterlife the same as what is taught in any other religion? If so, which one? But then, what about all the other teachings from all the other religions that are different to what is taught in the Baha'i Faith? Why are they different? Where did those ideas come from? Ideas like heaven and hell... or the concept of a purgatory? Things about angels and archangels? Then the evil spirit beings, the devil and his demons?
Lots of people believe those things are absolute true and real and some people have experienced them. But the Baha'is don't believe most of those things. But prior to the Baha'i Faith, what else did people have to go on? Are 70 virgins waiting the man who gives his life for his religion? If a person prays to Jesus is that enough to have their sins forgiven and to get them into heaven? People hold these kinds of beliefs, and they were right for them. But did that make them true?
Go back to the ancient times in Norway and what were the beliefs about the afterlife held by the Vikings? Those beliefs were right for them and probably believed to be true. But were they? Lots of people were told a lot of things. How many and which ones are really true about the afterlife? All that's expected is that any religious claims that can't be supported shouldn't be put out there as if it is the absolute, real truth.
But some religious people can't do that. They believe their religion is the truth. And they proclaim things about God, their prophet, and about some spirit world that they can't prove. People have been fooled before and have fallen for a lot of different claims. But with you it's different? You know your beliefs are true? And so do people in every other religion and every sect of every religion. And they all contradict each other. Unless you do like the Baha'is and say those contradictions are misinterpretation of things that were meant to be taken symbolically.
In the end, the Baha'i concept of unity and oneness between the religions, to me, really means they have got some things wrong... That Baha'is have a new message for this age. It is the only that's true. If that works for you, great. But part of being a Baha'i involves teaching the Faith. And that means interacting with Christians, Muslims, Atheists and people with all kinds of different beliefs. Do you think they will meet you halfway when you, the Baha'is won't meet them halfway? I still think the only thing a Baha'i can do is find common ground between us all. But then... what is that common ground?
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Wasn't there just a post that said that any religion that cause division should be gotten rid of? Or... does that mean any other religion that causes division should be gotten rid of. The Baha'i Faith is the exception, because it is the truth and we should, if we open our hearts and minds, see that and join them.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
For some neuro-scientists and philosophers of mind. But other neuroscientists and philosphers of mind disagree
God is not predetermining animals choices, the limitations of animals do that.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
The laws are unambiguous, but spiritual verities have many levels.
Truthseeker
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I certainly did. For many years I had doubts, but now I find the evidence overwhelming.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
Untrue. Enough said. I have no obligation to prove something for which you will not listen anyway.
Trailblazer
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You had doubts? The only doubts I ever had were when I read the Tablet of the Maiden. That was back when we were on Delphi Forums.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
Yes, I remember that. My memory isn't so rotten after all!
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
But you accept that in reality, there is a possibility that your belief is wrong and he might have been dishonest or delusional.
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
So you insist that you are right and refuse to even entertain any other possibility, even though you admit that your beliefs can not be proven.
Well, there we have it. You are the ones displaying exactly the behaviour you criticised, whereas I am prepared to accept that anything unfalsifiable is a possibility.
So who is the one whose ego is preventing them form being reasonable now?
Yet more examples of apologists complete inability to understand their own arguments. It's almost like you are doing it on purpose.
So no possibility that you could be wrong/your beliefs could be false? I get that you are committed to your beliefs, but can you not see that there is a possibility, however remote, that you could be wrong?
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
Tb has already said that she is you are not open to the possibility that she could be wrong.
See # 442
She has taken herself back to the dark ages.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
What's your position on this? Are you sure also?
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
So you admit that you are close-minded and certain that you are right, and therefore that anyone who disagrees with you is necessarily wrong. You don't even need to hear their argument to know it is wrong.
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
Which neuroscientists claim that the mind is independent of the physical brain?
No idea what a "philosopher of the mind" is or why their opinion carries any weight.
How does that work?
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
I, unlike Tb, am open to the possibility that I may be wrong.
What about you? Are you open to the possibility that you may be wrong?.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That is a straw man because none of this is about right and wrong, it is about what I believe is true.
I have heard the opposing arguments but I do not go by what other people think, I go by what I have researched and discovered for myself.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
This discussion about Right and Wrong is all about ego. That is the only thing it is about.
"I" am Right. "You" are Wrong.
This is blatantly obvious to anyone who knows anything about psychology.
Is it possible that Baha'u'llah was not a Messenger of God? Sure that is possible, and it is just as possible that Jesus was a nobody and all of Christianity is one big lie.
Anything is possible unless it can be proven as a fact to be impossible.
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