Nothing lasts forever in this life

[KWED]

There are psychiatrists and psychologists.
One prescribes physical medicines [for neurological disorders], and the other employs psychological therapies [ therapy of the mind/soul ]

If there were not two concepts, there would not be any need to distinguish between them.

The fact that there is a brain and a mind does not show that the mind can exist independently of the brain.

 

[Sheldon]

Many people have died [ stopped heart & breathing ], and have had strange experiences.

I had a strange experience in Bristol once, that doesn't make Bristol supernatural. Oddly enough a brain that is dying from oxygen starvation will likely not behave in the way we have come to expect.

 

[Sheldon]

My father was an atheist.
He died for a few minutes, and when he was resucitated, he said that a person all dressed in white was saying "Come on, come here", but he said no, no, I'm not ready yet .. and then woke up.

He didn't die for a few minutes, his heart stopped, these facile anecdotes never seem to grasp the difference. Resuscitate someone after rigor mortis has set in, and we'll have a chat.

 

[Spirit of Light]

So how can you even claim it is probable, never mind 100% certain?

Can i ask in all honesty @KWED.
Why do you keep over and over er again stomp on others faith and belief? Is it not time to soon stop your quest to destroy other people?

I have just had a meltdown and got truly angry even here in RF, and again you were the cause of my rage.
Is it that you want? Do you honestly want to brake people in to nervous human beings just so you can feel you was right all along?

Do not take this as critique of you as a human being, but a question to stop damaging other human beings faith, even you, your self do not believe, others do, no matter what "evil" you wish to find in other peoples faith.

 

[Sheldon]

That is an all-to-common experience....
Coincidence?

Too common, and obviously people imagine weird things when their brains are dying from oxygen starvation, so no it's hardly a coincidence. Though the word coincidence is an entirely subjective idea anyway.

 

[Sheldon]

Well, we must part our ways, then. To me, if someone demonstrates things extraordinary while claiming to the be Messenger of God, that proves the existence of God.

Even without defining accurately what you mean by extraordinary, that seems a very low bar, not to mention it sounds an awful lot like the kinds of appeal to mystery that a lot of argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacies are based on.

What's the rational justification for assuming something mysterious or extraordinary can't have a rational natural explanation? There are virtually limitless things in nature that disprove this notion.

 

[Sheldon]

*sigh*
Until you have established that a god actually exists, you can't claim that anyone was his messenger.

I have tried to explain that such claims are circular reasoning fallacies, the notion a messenger of god, exists at all, in an argument for a deity, is a begging the question fallacy, used at the start of a circular reasoning fallacy. Yet this irrational claim is used over and over again.

 

[Trailblazer]

So how can you even claim it is probable, never mind 100% certain?

The certainty comes from God.

 

[Trailblazer]

I thought you didn't know anything about heaven? Come to that how are you laughably claiming to know this anyway?

I never said I did not know anything.

 

[Trailblazer]

Did you die already? Then you are simply making sh** up.

I said: Confirmation comes only when one dies and realizes they are not dead.

 

[Trailblazer]

The fact that there is a brain and a mind does not show that the mind can exist independently of the brain.

The mind cannot exist independently of the brain, but the soul can.

 

[muhammad_isa]

The fact that there is a brain and a mind does not show that the mind can exist independently of the brain.

So what?
The two concepts exist, and you can't prove that the mind/soul can't somehow be transferred in some way after bodily death.

 

[Trailblazer]

Do not take this as critique of you as a human being, but a question to stop damaging other human beings faith

He will never damage my faith. Given I have been to hell and back and I still have my faith, do you really think any atheist can ever damage my faith?

 

[Trailblazer]

Too common, and obviously people imagine weird things when their brains are dying from oxygen starvation, so no it's hardly a coincidence.

Why would they all imagine similar things?

 

[Trailblazer]

So what?
The two concepts exist, and you can't prove that the mind/soul can't somehow be transferred in some way after bodily death.

Welcome to the party... Grab some popcorn before @KWED eats it all up.

 

[Trailblazer]

Interesting that scientists with actual, verifiable, solid evidence don't claim 100% certainty - yet you do based on nothing but claims and opinions.

Not based on claims and opinions, based on guidance from God. That beats actual, verifiable, solid evidence any day.

 

[Spirit of Light]

He will never damage my faith. Given I have been to hell and back and I still have my faith, do you really think any atheist can ever damage my faith?

To be fair @Trailblazer the question was not for you
But i see He run away again, no surprise there because i expected him to do so.

 

[Sheldon]

I thought you didn't know anything about heaven? Come to that how are you laughably claiming to know this anyway?

I never said I did not know anything.

So you are just making senseless claims up then, like here?

No, in heaven we will have a spiritual body that our soul will be downloaded onto.

 

[KWED]

Can i ask in all honesty @KWED.
Why do you keep over and over er again stomp on others faith and belief? Is it not time to soon stop your quest to destroy other people?

You really do seem to have trouble grasping the concept of religious debate.
No one is "stomping" or "trying to destroy" people (loving the irrational appeal to emotion though). I am simply asking questions about people's beliefs. If you find those questions difficult to answer, that's the problem of the belief, not the person asking the questions.

I have just had a meltdown and got truly angry even here in RF, and again you were the cause of my rage.

See above.

Is it that you want? Do you honestly want to brake people in to nervous human beings just so you can feel you was right all along?

Seriously, if having your beliefs challenged results in a personal crisis, then perhaps you need to reassess your beliefs rather than attack the person doing the challenging?

Do not take this as critique of you as a human being, but a question to stop damaging other human beings faith, even you, your self do not believe, others do, no matter what "evil" you wish to find in other peoples faith.

So basically, you are saying that as long as someone really believes in something, then we should let them get on with it and not challenge those beliefs?

 

[KWED]

Well, we must part our ways, then. To me, if someone demonstrates things extraordinary while claiming to the be Messenger of God, that proves the existence of God.

So if at the end of one of his TV specials, Derren Brown claimed to be a messenger of god, you would accept him as such