Now Belgium bans burqa in public places

[Alceste]

Wondering how many women make this fashion decision themselves and for how many it is made by others.

Then make it illegal to compel a woman to dress contrary to her own preference. Many Islamic women decide for themselves, btw. It's a common misapprehension that they're all under duress, except in states where the government makes their decision for them. Like Belgium.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Then make it illegal to compel a woman to dress contrary to her own preference. Many Islamic women decide for themselves, btw. It's a common misapprehension that they're all under duress, except in states where the government makes their decision for them. Like Belgium.

Precisely.

Are we going to see bans that target men?

 

[YmirGF]

Then what complain after that?
If you're married and your husband tells you to do X thing, and you really really hate it, you'll have two options :

1) Either divorce
2) Or you love your husband and do that thing only to please him and stay with him

Now Im presuming that you hate it, what about if you like it and everyone thinks you're doing it because your husband want you to do it?

And still you didnt answer wether all your thoughts posted are only presumptions or did you really ever talked to one of these ladies to see wether they are forced or not?

Best regards

There are certainly more than two clear cut options, Fatima. In theory, a disgruntled wife could simply talk to her husband and try to reason with him that she just isn't in to the burka thingy. If he is wise and IF he loves her, he would naturally be sensitive to her wishes.

Realistically, I cannot imagine why any woman would want to cover herself from head to toe. I know, I've heard the reasoning, but quite honestly, none of it actually make much sense. Curiously, I don't know why Muslims don't tell them they are misunderstanding the exhortation to dress modestly. Modesty is one thing, to cover all is quite another. It is - a tad extreme.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Precisely.

Are we going to see bans that target men?

A ban on men wearing speedos would be a good place to start.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Then what complain after that?
If you're married and your husband tells you to do X thing, and you really really hate it, you'll have two options :

1) Either divorce
2) Or you love your husband and do that thing only to please him and stay with him

Now Im presuming that you hate it, what about if you like it and everyone thinks you're doing it because your husband want you to do it?

And still you didnt answer wether all your thoughts posted are only presumptions or did you really ever talked to one of these ladies to see wether they are forced or not?

Best regards

Or how about the husband stops telling his wife what to wear? You know, it really IS okay to refuse to give husbands that much say-so.

 

[YmirGF]

A ban on men wearing speedos would be a good place to start.

With extreme prejudice given to middle-age males from Quebec who weigh over 250 pounds and love to lumber around Florida beaches... I'm just saying...

 

[MysticSang'ha]

A ban on men wearing speedos would be a good place to start.

Speak for yourself. Some guys (SOME) look great in a speedo.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Speak for yourself. Some guys (SOME) look great in a speedo.

Never the ones that actually wear them though.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Never the ones that actually wear them though.

Not in public, at least. You have a point.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

There are certainly more than two clear cut options, Fatima. In theory, a disgruntled wife could simply talk to her husband and try to reason with him that she just isn't in to the burka thingy. If he is wise and IF he loves her, he would naturally be sensitive to her wishes.

Of course, thats their own business how they would deal with the issue. What I meant was the case where the husband is forcing her, either physically or emotionally, then theres always an escape.

Realistically, I cannot imagine why any woman would want to cover herself from head to toe. I know, I've heard the reasoning, but quite honestly, none of it actually make much sense. Curiously, I don't know why Muslims don't tell them they are misunderstanding the exhortation to dress modestly. Modesty is one thing, to cover all is quite another. It is - a tad extreme.[/quote]

Not imagining it or understanding it doesnt make it impossible. This week, at a Quran revision class, two ladies declared that they decided to put Niqab; everyone was happy for them and they were encouraged. Does it make any sense to you? It may not do so, but its still happening every day on this earth.

Oh and btw, it may be more hard to understand because you're a men and dont have women feelings . Im just saying, not sure though

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Or how about the husband stops telling his wife what to wear? You know, it really IS okay to refuse to give husbands that much say-so.

No problem at all, she can says and do what she wants. I was adressing the situation were the husband is a bearded terrorist who FORCES his wife to wear a bag from head to toe and slap her when theres a finger that shows up. ( Okey , Im just trying to draw a caricature for the ban law)

 

[MysticSang'ha]

No problem at all, she can says and do what she wants. I was adressing the situation were the husband is a bearded terrorist who FORCES his wife to wear a bag from head to toe and slap her when theres a finger that shows up. ( Okey , Im just trying to draw a caricature for the ban law)

How about making it illegal to abuse your wife?

I don't make excuses.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

That would ne much better than banning a dress code that most adhere to willingly, thank you for bringing it up

 

[MysticSang'ha]

That would ne much better than banning a dress code that most adhere to willingly, thank you for bringing it up

I'm against the burqa ban, btw. I think any dress code enforced on women in any culture as a scapegoat for the crimes of men is a bad idea. I'm with you on maintaining freedom for women.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

I know you are ( I read your posts through the thread), and Im glad to hear that

 

[Quiddity]

Does this come from the same people who speak of tolerence?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Does this come from the same people who speak of tolerence?

I wonder the same thing sometimes.

 

[Alceste]

Realistically, I cannot imagine why any woman would want to cover herself from head to toe. I know, I've heard the reasoning, but quite honestly, none of it actually make much sense. Curiously, I don't know why Muslims don't tell them they are misunderstanding the exhortation to dress modestly. Modesty is one thing, to cover all is quite another. It is - a tad extreme.

And I don't understand why a woman would want breast enlargement surgery, speaking of "extreme". Should we make that illegal too?

 

[Alceste]

Precisely.

Are we going to see bans that target men?

Not in a patriarchy, we're not. Restrict the liberties of men? Unacceptable! Men are abusing their liberties at the expense of women? Abridge the liberties of women!

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Not in a patriarchy, we're not. Restrict the liberties of men? Unacceptable! Men are abusing their liberties at the expense of women? Abridge the liberties of women!

Patriarchy. Blech.