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Now Belgium bans burqa in public places
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Hyperborean
Cultural Conservative
Then I assume you would be fine with China banning Tibetan monks from wearing robes. After all, they should just learn to accept it and move on, instead of continuing the debate, right?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I can't help but think that the Saudi's don't give a rat's hindquarters as to what Kai thinks on the matter. I don't think Muslims have much of a leg to stand in regards to non-Muslim majority countries rulings, when Muslim majority countries are banning this attire as well. It seems to be a trend. I know Canada is looking at this option too.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
They do and no one says a thing. As soon as a western country does its chaos.
Its been called for here, it wont get anywhere because surely we can't be so cruel to minorities
They are both wrong. Any law that imposes what type of clothes should someone wear is wrong, especially with women. They are already being very oppressed in many places, we shouldn't add more to it. The reason i guess it gets more attention in this case, is that you'd expect more from countries in Europe in regards to women rights than you'd expect from Saudi Arabia, that already has a bad record in this regard.
Its been called for here, it wont get anywhere because surely we can't be so cruel to minorities
If it doesn't get anywhere in Australia that would be something to admire. It would show that they are indeed good to the minorities. Why do you find that funny? If it actually doesn't make it there that would be a very good sign on how Australia treats minorities.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
It annoys me that they need attention. I'm also a staunch believer in "if you move to a country you accept their way of life the way it is." Sadly muslims are not very good at this. The burqa issue is usually raised by muslim communities, no one else.
Minorities in my view is an over-used word. If you live and work in Australia you are Australian, your religion is unimportant and should be kept private unless asked.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend Hyperborean,
The point that was trying to make is something like this: when visited a remote village could only find a type of food which am not used to and do not have the facility to cook as a new/minority/etc. Will any debate help me get my type of food??
Love & rgds
n.b. Wearing robe is not religion, it is symbolic besides surviving and being HERE-NOW is more important than debating against *no-ears*
The point that was trying to make is something like this: when visited a remote village could only find a type of food which am not used to and do not have the facility to cook as a new/minority/etc. Will any debate help me get my type of food??
Love & rgds
n.b. Wearing robe is not religion, it is symbolic besides surviving and being HERE-NOW is more important than debating against *no-ears*
I do understand your idea and agree but to an extent, that extent does not include clothing. Also please remember that this would go both ways, as in you'd have to accept other country's view on what or how you should dress. That doesn't sound very good. Its better to make our countries fitting for different cultures to live in it.
And don't forget not all muslims in Europe or Australia are immigrants.
Very true, it would be so for those ones.
How will those who were forced to take it off breath fresh air?
blackout
Violet.
It's much easier to breathe fresh air
when your face/head/nose isn't covered.
Just stating the obvious.
nameless
The Creator
how can we identify those people? should those people sacrifice their basic human needs to preserve religious interests of few people?
i think covering the face would make breathing uneasy at least for a few people.
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Actually you mean the religious rights of many, not a few. And of course no we should not sacrifice the other ones, but that doesn't mean we should oppress the rest.
I didn't think you actually meant breathing, i thought you meant freedom or something by that expression.
nameless
The Creator
which oppression is more bad? forcing to wear burqa or banning the burqa?
personally i believe, women wear burqa for religious reasons and not according to their personal will.
which is to be preserved? basic human needs or religious believes?
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fatima_bintu_islam
Active Member
How do you define the basic human needs in the context of this thread?
Both are the same as far as i'm concerned. Nobody has a right to dictate to others what to wear, whatever their reasons are for choosing to wear that.
Also, if we assume one is worse than the other, it still doesn't justify the one that is a little less as bad. Its a very simple matter. We shouldn't force women to wear specific things, or forbid her to wear certain things, its as simple as that.
You want to fight and stop those who force women to wear niqab or burqa, and rightly so. But we shouldn't do that by doing the same or even assumably less injustice to other women. We should fight those men who are forcing women to wear something.
nameless
The Creator
for eg: breathing fresh air, as mentioned in my last post
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They breath just fine nameless, they didn't complain. Once again this kind of arguments are no way near any kind of grounds to dictate to women what to wear.
Rubbish. We dictate what people have to wear constantly.
Could you clarify a little bit on that?