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O Muslims, why do not you eat pork ?

JoStories

Well-Known Member
In your opinion, is that enough? Don't you demand sufficient reasoning as to why the authors of the Old Testament felt this way and, more importantly, whether their reasoning is still relevant today?
Looking at this from an eastern faith pov, I would say that one should follow what one finds most fitting to ones faith. This is why I personally follow vegetarianism. That is not to say that advancements have not been made leibowde, but rather that my understanding of The Buddhas teachings are such that I try to value all a life, including that of animals. And of course, you could ask why I eat plant food and I wouldn't have a good answer. But imo, this is the only thing that doesn't truly 'breath'.
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Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
If Allah is so bothered about the eating of pork...why did he make pigs in the first place?
Maybe for those whose beliefs/religions don't forbid to eat :)
I don't think existence of things/animals/plants relate only to consumption. There could be other purposes than the possible reason mentioned above.
 

JoStories

Well-Known Member
Maybe for those whose beliefs/religions don't forbid to eat :)
I don't think existence of things/animals/plants relate only to consumption. There could be other purposes than the possible reason mentioned above.
I don't know smart guy, but maybe for the person, it's a question of testing their faith. I've quite a few Jewish friends who will not eat shellfish or pork and that is simply their choice, imo. To me, it may not make sense and truthfully, it doesn't. But to them, neither does my being a vegetarian.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Maybe not leibowde. But if a person wishes to follow this, I don't see the harm. It may not make a lot of sense, but it's their choice, non?
I agree. But, if they claim that eating pork is "immoral", they better have a good reason for saying so, as they are casting judgment on others.
 

JoStories

Well-Known Member
I agree. But, if they claim that eating pork is "immoral", they better have a good reason for saying so, as they are casting judgment on others.
Agreed my dear friend. Btw, I've missed you love! Anyway, I would say that if they do this just for themselves, no worries. But if they pass judgment on me or you, that is entirely different. Who are they to say to you you can't have the best BBQ ribs in the country. Or my pork medallions Marseille. I may not eat meat but damn, I can sure cook it well!
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Agreed my dear friend. Btw, I've missed you love! Anyway, I would say that if they do this just for themselves, no worries. But if they pass judgment on me or you, that is entirely different. Who are they to say to you you can't have the best BBQ ribs in the country. Or my pork medallions Marseille. I may not eat meat but damn, I can sure cook it well!
Great ... now I'm hungry and it's 10am!!

When the word "immoral" is used to describe the eating of a specific animal, it seems that, by necessity, judgments are being made on others. That is what irks me. It is the same thing with homosexuality. They say it is immoral, but when you ask them for an explanation they say things like it is "not normal" or that it goes against "God's will". Irritating to say the least.
 

JoStories

Well-Known Member
Great ... now I'm hungry and it's 10am!!

When the word "immoral" is used to describe the eating of a specific animal, it seems that, by necessity, judgments are being made on others. That is what irks me. It is the same thing with homosexuality. They say it is immoral, but when you ask them for an explanation they say things like it is "not normal" or that it goes against "God's will". Irritating to say the least.
I agree dear. And I would say that that falls squarely on them. Let them think or say that we are immoral. It's no problem to me as what they say has never really troubled, save way back when I was first discovering that I'm bisexual. I know I'm absolutely normal and frankly, if they don't like that, tough. And btw, I would welcome you to come on over for dinner anytime. You bring the wine.
 

Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
Maybe for those whose beliefs/religions don't forbid to eat :)
I don't think existence of things/animals/plants relate only to consumption. There could be other purposes than the possible reason mentioned above.

Then why not make pork so that Muslims can eat it. I mean, this is a superbeing we're talking about, he can do anything.

It just doesn't make any sense (until you realise that some dude made up the rule).
 

raph

Member
I heard that pork is the worst meat, when you dont have refrigerators. Isnt it? Seems plausible to ban it in arabia.

Humans are not the only ones that eat meat. God could have made pigs for the wolfs and lions.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
I don't know smart guy, but maybe for the person, it's a question of testing their faith. I've quite a few Jewish friends who will not eat shellfish or pork and that is simply their choice, imo. To me, it may not make sense and truthfully, it doesn't. But to them, neither does my being a vegetarian.

Yes, I did mention this point before, that it could be one of the reasons it is prohibited. I also mentioned that eating pork is not punishable in Islam, so the greatest excuse for a Muslim to eat pork is that there is no punishment for it, which means only faith and respect in God is what's left.

I for one, don't eat pork because I believe and respect God. If my mom told me to not do something, I'd listen to her because I respect here and believe in her, while I still can do it in secret but I still don't.

Good point there :)

Then why not make pork so that Muslims can eat it. I mean, this is a superbeing we're talking about, he can do anything.

Why not keep it prohibited? It is not a matter of life and death! If for some reason eating pork becomes a matter of life and death, Muslims are excused to eat it.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
I agree dear. And I would say that that falls squarely on them. Let them think or say that we are immoral. It's no problem to me as what they say has never really troubled, save way back when I was first discovering that I'm bisexual. I know I'm absolutely normal and frankly, if they don't like that, tough. And btw, I would welcome you to come on over for dinner anytime. You bring the wine.
As long as vodka sodas are welcomed too ... I'm there. When u gonna be in DC?
 

JoStories

Well-Known Member
As long as vodka sodas are welcomed too ... I'm there. When u gonna be in DC?
DC? I thought we were meeting in Baltimore dear. Anyway, either place, in September. And I would prefer a Cuevo Gold salt crusted, with lime, marguerita, frozen please.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Um, why would heating pork up to 160 degrees with a fire be anymore difficult than it is now? Also, basically any raw animal one can eat contains a bacteria that can cause harm, yet only pork it outlawed?
The most pathogenic of the Trichinosis worm :

T. spiralis is most adapted to swine, most pathogenic in humans and is cosmopolitan in distribution.
Trichinosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The ways to prevent this parasite it to raise pigs in clean conditions and reliably cook it to 160 degrees.
The first just was not known or practical, and the second was unreliable. They did not know what 160 degrees was and had no thermometers, nor did they realize there was a parasite in need of being cooked to death.

BTW I do not claim to know this. I ran across it somewhere and it made sense so I often suggest it may explain the pork issue. It could be a combination of two things. The health issue and to set Jewish people apart from the rest of the local cultures and not eating pigs would have been a two for one.
 
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