True dat. MSNBC & NPR have been beating the drums overtime for Obama the last couple days.
Yeah....I've been monitoring them.
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Obama and the Republican Party
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Yeah....I've been monitoring them.
Got a link?
Your trying to get the ACA funded. Originally it was just south of a trillion dollars, now it could be as high as 5 trillion to fund it.
Nancy Pelosi saying we had to pass the bill to see what is in it is hardly transparent governing as was promised by BHO. Remember his C-SPAN remarks?
We cannot borrow money to give folks another entitlement and if that means shutting things down, so be it.
I live in a Republic. Have you seen how well democracies are working in the middle east lately?
Democracies are three wolves and one sheep voting on what is for dinner.
If our country was a democracy, women and people of color would not even have voted for another 50 years.
If our country was a democracy, women and people of color would not even have voted for another 50 years.
No. You need TV & radio for them.
BlandOatmeal
Active Member
So be it indeed. Then what's all this farce Obama is putting out, drawing red lines around Obamacare and holding up the budget? When will he finally stop golfing and posturing, and get the wheels going again. He is the one at the helm; what direction is he trying to head? All I've heard from the White house lately -- in Libya, in Syria, in Iran and now in Washington, is confusion.
If I was the Prez, I would roll up my sleeves and me and JB would be locked in a room together till we worked this thing out.
Right now we need leadership and the willingness to compromise.
Right now we need leadership and the willingness to compromise.
BlandOatmeal
Active Member
May the toughest bladder win, eh?
I'm a Republican, and I hope Mr. Boehner exhibits more backbone than Obama has shown this year. The Prez is a bully at heart, minus the muscle. He can't stand up to real tough guys like Bashar al-Assad and Vladimir Putin, so he thinks he can have better luck with the Republicans. I would like to see him proven wrong.
So far, it looks like this shutdown will hurt the Dems more than the Reps. The immediate victims will be Federal employees -- who have been major beneficiaries of government largesse because of their fake "unions" that pit political candidates against potential fundraisers (instead of real adversarial bargaining) with the taxpayers footing the bill. Across the board, Big Government is in for an upset, and they're quaking in their boots while their Peerless Leader puts on a bold face.
I'm with Boehner all the way on this, and pray that he stands fast.
PS Fox News Poll: Voters support delaying Obamacare, but oppose defunding it
By Dana Blanton
Published October 03, 2013
"...a majority wants all or part of the law repealed..."
-- Fox News Poll: Voters support delaying Obamacare, but oppose defunding it | Fox News
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this has been the most obstructed government in Us history
bar none
so yep, agree
obama has compromised his entire presidency...sadly
say after me
filibuster kiddies
tune in next week when big bird discusses political ideologies and billionaire mormon bishops
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
It's hard for many on the right to escape from their bubble but be that as it may...Dems have wanted to go to conference for 6 months now and work out the differences between their budget and the Austerity budget passed out of the house through Paul Ryan. Repubs in the senate refused....18 times. Dems requested Boehner appoint conferees for budget reconciliation but he has refused to do so....So here we are. We have a government shutdown that repubs are giddy about.
He's trying to get them to pass a Clean CR based on their budget numbers that Dems compromised on...and sent to the House for a vote. So far Boehner is refusing to bring it to the floor. For now..repubs are content on piece mealing government back together.
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Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
He has already....Dems agreed on their budget number for the CR....All Boehner needs to do is bring it to the floor for a vote. About 18 or so Republicans said they would vote for a Clean CR...so what is Boehner waiting on....
Obama to blink.He has already....Dems agreed on their budget number for the CR....All Boehner needs to do is bring it to the floor for a vote. About 18 or so Republicans said they would vote for a Clean CR...so what is Boehner waiting on....
Obama to blink.
or waiting for the lobbyists and fat cats that own him...to give him permission, like a good slave (praise greed)
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
That's really uncalled for here at RF......:no:
how is boehner not a slave to his lobbyists, super pacs... the extremists in is party etc?
maybe you thought I meant Obama..I didnt....
anyway...stick a fork in it
s2a
Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
Just one reminder, and first of all... "Obamacare" only directly affects the 15% of those that have NO access to affordable heath care of ANY kind at all. You know, those mooching 3 year olds with cancer that NO insurance company will ever enroll for those pesky "pre-existing conditions...
The other 85% of citizens have NOW ,at least some sort of insured health care (primarily through their employers)... though most of those really do not understand those provisions either, until vitally needed in crisis. Unless of course those that insure that company and its employees deems you to also be unreliably unhealthy with um, a "pre-existing condition". "Sorry, you gotta go...good luck with that".
Second, and just curious, who really advocates blocking access to affordable health care to all American citizens? Perhaps just in those special situations cases, you know, those that are laid off, independently employed, impoverished, homeless, old, newborn with disease, on and on...
What is the upside to that perspective?
Thirdly, whom is it that insistently repeats that any supplemented plans of heath care are unaffordable? Compared to what exists now? Seems to me that those opposed to "Obamacare" have insurance, and still regard basic care as a "right" that is earned, a not a humanistic obligation to all that "the wealthiest nation on Earth" might afford it's citizens as a cost to simply live here.
"Keep the gummint's hands off my Medicare!"
Doh.
Really?
Not a thing.
But when they can not persuade other members in Congress to accept their views in the normal order of a democratic process in any majority vote ("polling", if you like), you can not argue as a result that becoming a suicide bomber in a bank that holds your house mortgage must not only eradicate that loan, but also give you a car and a vacation in the Bahamas too, or you will just kill all the inept hostages in the bank, just so you see ALL your demands met...is really not a plea for negotiation...it's a plea for serious medical/mental attention...that hopefully is insured and covered.
SCOTUS spoke, and found the ACA not only merited on it's own, but constitutional.
Agreed that The Tea Party and it's varied sycophants are inescapably onerous and audible beyond any polite tolerances. We hear you.
Really.
If only democracy favored earnest focused energy and will alone...
But as many of religious faith will tell you, "God hears all prayers... but sometimes the answer is "NO"
We hear you...but the answer is still NO.
Until this nation becomes a religious caliphate or submits to rule by a singular Pope, the nation as a whole speaks first in national elections with attendant consequences... and the answer is STILL "no".
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Obama to blink.
We'll see......he hasn't so far....but I am glad that you and others in congress are finally owning this shutdown. It's refreshing to hear Bachman giddy over the shutdown and McConnel and Paul on a hot mic expressing how they feel they're winning over their obstructionist tactics... I'm waiting to see how long Boehner can drag this shutdown on. Markets and investors aren't all that confident and it's starting to show...
US STOCKS-Futures higher, but investors still wary about shutdown | Reuters
You guys keep repeating that tired old mantra (everything is going to be alright)...
All markets are tied together...
Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian
Budget Standoff Has Stock Investors Wary, Not Panicked - WSJ.com
Shucks...this is only week one. Two more to go.
US stock markets tumble as shutdown stalemate worries investors | Business | theguardian.com
And you know you're slipping when a predominately Conservative US Chamber of Commerce is writing you a letter warning you to knock it off. Why?...Because they're business men/women and it's hurting their bread and butter.
Shutdown Gives Obama Unlikely Ally: Big Business - ABC News
There are a whole country of people with skin in the game who don't necessarily live in your bubble.
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