Obama and the Republican Party

[Revoltingest]

They've been all over TV and in the press expressing their gratification over the shutdown....This has nothing to do with MSNBC...

It's only that you seem an extension of them, ie, proffering one sided advocacy without any merit on the other side or sins on your side. When you watch news sources which only confirm what you want to believe, it will seem very real, complete & true. Tis a very narrow perspective which blinds you to the broader picture. (Btw, I don't charge anything for my keen diagnoses under the Revoltingcare plan. Luck you!)

 

[Revoltingest]

Here's an interesting piece about the political usage of the shut down.....
PRUDEN: The cheap tricks of the game - Washington Times

“It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

Washington is actually spending extra money to enhance difficulties, eg, prohibiting access to the WW2 memorial. Normally unattended, they now spend resources to keep vets & everyone else from visiting it.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

It's only that you seem an extension of them, ie, proffering one sided advocacy without any merit on the other side or sins on your side. When you watch news sources which only confirm what you want to believe, it will seem very real, complete & true. Tis a very narrow perspective which blinds you to the broader picture. (Btw, I don't charge anything for my keen diagnoses under the Revoltingcare plan. Luck you!)

The problem with your "diagnosis" is that it's completely wrong. I normally post information from various sources. Many of them are right leaning, many are left leaning. Many are just home town news paper articles. I didn't get Bachman's remarks from watching left-wing media...I got it from watching Fox News. I didn't get the sense that businesses were upset with republicans by watching left-wing media....I got it from watching Fox Business News and BBC World News. I would agree with your "diagnosis" if I got my information from "only" left wing sources but I don't....:sad:

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Here's an interesting piece about the political usage of the shut down.....
PRUDEN: The cheap tricks of the game - Washington Times

Washington is actually spending extra money to enhance difficulties, eg, prohibiting access to the WW2 memorial. Normally unattended, they now spend resources to keep vets & everyone else from visiting it.

"It's only that you seem an extension of them, ie, proffering one sided advocacy without any merit on the other side or sins on your side. When you watch news sources which only confirm what you want to believe, it will seem very real, complete & true. Tis a very narrow perspective which blinds you to the broader picture." - Revoltingest

.....:sad:

 

[Revoltingest]

The problem with your "diagnosis" is that it's completely wrong.

Don't contradict the doctor!
I see an unwillingness to understand the other side's perspective.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Don't contradict the doctor!
I see an unwillingness to understand the other side's perspective.

I'm willing if they can make a convincing case...So far they haven't...

 

[BlandOatmeal]

not really, obama care is what this has become

this president has continued to receive little or no respect from republicans, arguably moreso than ever before.... once such blatant disrespect was unbecoming of any American let alone the GOP and Tparty..... this seems to have vanished, the lunatics really have taken over the asylumn, look at the dubya years he was hated, but he was worked with, grudgingly...but he was

under obama its "vote for anything that is the opposite of Obama, even if hes advocating our own idea"

tit for tat

but perhaps you have amnesia when it comes to all the filibusters. Last election, the republican attitude was any means necessary, to remove obama..... from attempting to elect a former mormon bishop, to preaching hatred from the pulpit...hello catholic church

You're presenting a moving target, graal. Is this a matter of respect? I don't think the Prez knows what that word means, other than "Worship ME". While Caligula Obama is proclaiming his divinity and demanding respect and worship from his pulpit, the bills keep piling up and we keep getting deeper into debt. I look forward to the day when we get a President, instead of a god.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm willing if they can make a convincing case...So far they haven't...

It might not be possible to make a convincing case that there's an alternative perspective to yours.
You have the truth. I have the advantage that I just see warring sides who share methods.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

It might not be possible to make a convincing case that there's an alternative perspective to yours.

You might be right. Many of them don't even know why they're continuing this shutdown...they just know that they have to get something. They don't know what that is yet but they still want something.

You have the truth. I have the advantage that I just see warring sides who share methods.

I see that too. That perspective is nothing new and is old as this country. But what's happening now is that their "perspective", within the course of 4 days, is changing.


talk_politics: Shut Down Day 3: Mark Meadows (R) Descends into Gibberish

Reporter: Okay, one followup, which is, is the CR really about the Affordable Care Act anymore or is it...(inaudible)

Rep. Mark Meadows: I was on the House floor today. This fight now has become about veterans and about, uh, national guard folks that perhaps, uh, reservists that are not getting paid. That's where the fight is today. Obamacare is mandatory spending. It's going on. Now what they're saying is, every day, they're saying 'no' to the people back home. That's unsustainable.

Well..OK then. So it seems like the total shutdown is pointless and they should move to open the government.... but that doesn't stop guys like this from offering up their answers in word salad format

Tamara Keith: So why not run a full, just a full CR if you don't care about Obamacare anymore?

Meadows: Why not vote on, on a full CR? Okay, because...

Keith: Yeah, sure, because if you're, if Obamacare isn't the issue to you anymore...?

Meadows: 'Cause it, it... twofold: One is, is, that when you when you start to look, they say 'clean CR?' That is, translates into into to truly a blank check, and, and so Obamacare is an issue for me and my constituents but what happens is today is we gotta figure a way to open it back up and, and with that, in opening it back up, when we start to look at these issues, it, it is critical that we make it...the decisions we, we make to be as least harmful as they possibly can be.

:sad:

 

[s2a]

I will tell you what, when the ACA was passed, it was said it would cost less than one trillion. If the truth was told it would never had become law.

OK, pretend you are Obama and myself JB. You get one trillion for the ACA not a penny more deal?

Well then, time to finally repeal Medicare!

Who's with me?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Well then, time to finally repeal Medicare!

Who's with me?

And RomneyCare....And that true "socialist" healthcare Veterans get....:drool:

 

[YmirGF]

And RomneyCare....And that true "socialist" healthcare Veterans get....:drool:

It saddens me when discussions hit this level of inanity. I don't think anyone is suggesting that social health care programs be eliminated however the 800 pound gorilla in the room is that present health care programs, like social security, are simply unsustainable at current levels. Something has to change and the euphemistically titled "Affordable" Heath Care Act is a step in the wrong direction. One question I ask people who complain about our Canadian Health care system is, "How much are you willing to pay to make it better, not great, but better?"

 

[Monk Of Reason]

It saddens me when discussions hit this level of inanity. I don't think anyone is suggesting that social health care programs be eliminated however the 800 pound gorilla in the room is that present health care programs, like social security, are simply unsustainable at current levels. Something has to change and the euphemistically titled "Affordable" Heath Care Act is a step in the wrong direction. One question I ask people who complain about our Canadian Health care system is, "How much are you willing to pay to make it better, not great, but better?"

One payer system would in many ways be much cheaper than ACA. Its a lot less paperwork and system mechanics.

 

[BlandOatmeal]

One payer system would in many ways be much cheaper than ACA. Its a lot less paperwork and system mechanics.

You may be right; but I will reject ANY healthcare act or ANY legislation that results from an imperial President ramming it down the throat of the taxpayers. We pay for that man to play golf, for heaven's sake, and to ridicule us as a big "farce". I'm flat-out sick of him, and have no sympathy for him OR his political pyramids and hanging gardens. He wants to make a name for himself; but he will go down in ridicule. We HAD a health care system -- not the best in the world, perhaps, but certainly ONE of the best. What's being proposed is some hare-brained scheme that was voted on before the legislators even had a chance to read it, and appears to have 5:1 cost overruns before it's even gotten off the ground.

It doesn't work. Shut it down, and fix it.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Hell, we might as well pass a law to send everyone to Mars.......Damn the expense right?

How on earth can we continue to vote to spend money we do not have and no plan to ever repay it?

 

[BlandOatmeal]

Hell, we might as well pass a law to send everyone to Mars.......Damn the expense right?

How on earth can we continue to vote to spend money we do not have and no plan to ever repay it?

Oh, you didn't read the earlier posts -- it seems that Federal budgets are different from other budgets. Because they're bigger, they don't have to balance. We're dealing with great economic minds here... or is it just big heads?

 

[Reverend Rick]

What it boils down to is the majority can vote that the minority should give us some of their wealth.

An even more accurate description is we can vote to borrow money from children who are not even born yet.

We are not in this together because we excuse many folks from their obligation to pay for anything because they believe they are entitled to maintain a certain lifestyle.

People below the "Poverty Level" live a better life than our middle class did back in the 60's.

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh, you didn't read the earlier posts -- it seems that Federal budgets are different from other budgets. Because they're bigger, they don't have to balance. We're dealing with great economic minds here... or is it just big heads?

The real reason the fed needn't stick to a budget is that they can print money into existence. Of course, it can only do this to the extent that people will accept a certain level of inflation due to currency devaluation. (Inflation also devalues federal debt.) This is why they must also raise taxes & continuing borrowing overseas. But they confuse this increase of money being shuffled around with increasing economic activity. The former is a poor measure of the latter.
Example:
Uncle Sam took $10 from Sally. Uncle Sam gave Burford (who is on the dole) the $10.
There was no economic activity, but left leaning economists might trumpet that there was a $140 increase in the economy. ($10 + $10 = $20. Then there is a fiscal multiplication factor of 7 (heard it on NPR) for all the commerce resulting from taking & giving away Sally's $10.) This is why we should pay much higher taxes....cuz the economy would boom.

I've always wondered why there's no fiscal multiplier for Sally spending her own $10. The money truly blossoms only when people spend money given them by government. Modern economic theory is so sophisticated, that economists have proven that sometimes 10=10, & sometimes 10=140.

 

[Reverend Rick]

The thing that chaps my butt the most is when the ACA was voted on, it was said it would cost less than a trillion. If the truth were told, would it have still passed?

The ACA seems like a blank check to me.

 

[Falvlun]

You may be right; but I will reject ANY healthcare act or ANY legislation that results from an imperial President ramming it down the throat of the taxpayers. .

How the heck was this "rammed down our throat"?

This legislation passed through a democratic process. And Obama was elected again!