Obama and the Republican Party

[Dirty Penguin]

Here Is the Short GOP Quote That Perfectly Defines the Shutdown - Derek Thompson - The Atlantic

Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind.

“We’re not going to be disrespected”......“We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

 

[BlandOatmeal]

It's hard for many on the right to escape from their bubble but be that as it may...Dems have wanted to go to conference for 6 months now and work out the differences between their budget and the Austerity budget passed out of the house through Paul Ryan. Repubs in the senate refused....18 times. Dems requested Boehner appoint conferees for budget reconciliation but he has refused to do so....So here we are. We have a government shutdown that repubs are giddy about.

He's trying to get them to pass a Clean CR based on their budget numbers that Dems compromised on...and sent to the House for a vote. So far Boehner is refusing to bring it to the floor. For now..repubs are content on piece mealing government back together.

You conveniently avoided all mention of Obamacare, the real cause of the crisis.

 

[YmirGF]

You conveniently avoided all mention of Obamacare, the real cause of the crisis.

Sssshhhh.... he is desperately trying to craft a narrative...

 

[BlandOatmeal]

Sssshhhh.... he is desperately trying to craft a narrative...

Sssshhhh.... that's why I'm posting here. President Bullypulpit is trying to craft the same narrative, and the press has been obsequiously bowing to him.

The Democrats used their clout to ram Obamacare through, and the Republicans are using their clout to get rid of it before it metastesizes. It's no coincidence, that both parties put off the budget showdown until the very day Obamacare was to be born: Both sides knew a battle would take place, and both sides thought they would win. The battle's still on, and I'm rooting for the GOP. What this country needs, is a THOUGHT OUT health care plan, without a monstrous, tax-gobbling attempt to nationalize the biggest industry in America. Obama's fans think Big Brother is the answer to all our country's woes; I disagree with them.

Go, GOP!
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[LuisDantas]

Is Obamacare a cause at all? Or is it rather a result of existing needs (by one perspective) and a convenient pretext to the expression of hatred, mistrust and fear of change (by another)?

 

[Revoltingest]

Is Obamacare a cause at all? Or is it rather a result of existing needs (by one perspective) and a convenient pretext to the expression of hatred, mistrust and fear of change (by another)?

You really don't get American politics. Just as with DP's empty assertion that the goal for some is to shut down government, your claim that expression of ill feelings is their agenda is incredibly short sighted. The fighting is happening because we have 2 sides which both really disagree, will both exercise the threat to defund much of government, & as a result are viciously fuss'n & feud'n. You're part of the problem of propagating paralyzing political polarization when you simplistically demonize the other side by looking only for the worst in them.

Now, if my criticism seems harsh, let me offer you a soothing treat to show no hard feelings & to atone for my awful alliteration.....

 

[graalbaum]

You conveniently avoided all mention of Obamacare, the real cause of the crisis.

not really, obama care is what this has become

this president has continued to receive little or no respect from republicans, arguably moreso than ever before.... once such blatant disrespect was unbecoming of any American let alone the GOP and Tparty..... this seems to have vanished, the lunatics really have taken over the asylumn, look at the dubya years he was hated, but he was worked with, grudgingly...but he was

under obama its "vote for anything that is the opposite of Obama, even if hes advocating our own idea"

tit for tat

but perhaps you have amnesia when it comes to all the filibusters. Last election, the republican attitude was any means necessary, to remove obama..... from attempting to elect a former mormon bishop, to preaching hatred from the pulpit...hello catholic church

 

[Dirty Penguin]

You really don't get American politics. Just as with DP's empty assertion that the goal for some is to shut down government...

The GOP is all too happy to continue the shutdown. Bachman and others are all over the press expressing this. The votes exist right now to pass the Clean CR. Boehner explicitly said he would not bring the bill to the floor to be voted on even though it now has bipartisan support. Instead what they're doing is bringing bills to floor in a patch work approach to fund government. Many in the party have expressed they are happy with the shutdown.

 

[Revoltingest]

The GOP is all too happy to continue the shutdown.

So...you have your own special window into their souls to view them rubbing their hands together chanting "Excellent! Excellent".

Bachman and others are all over the press expressing this. The votes exist right now to pass the Clean CR. Boehner explicitly said he would not bring the bill to the floor to be voted on even though it now has bipartisan support. Instead what they're doing is bringing bills to floor in a patch work approach to fund government. Many in the party have expressed they are happy with the shutdown.

Reading such apologetics is like watching MSNBC, ie, there is only one side to any issue.

 

[Reverend Rick]

The GOP is all too happy to continue the shutdown. Bachman and others are all over the press expressing this. The votes exist right now to pass the Clean CR. Boehner explicitly said he would not bring the bill to the floor to be voted on even though it now has bipartisan support. Instead what they're doing is bringing bills to floor in a patch work approach to fund government. Many in the party have expressed they are happy with the shutdown.

DP, you keep repeating yourself. How many times are you going to say "Clean CR"?

JB said NO, and that is how it is going to be. I know it must be frustrating to almost cross the Obamacare finishline only to be stopped on the last step, (funding).

I will admit we Pubs must take ownership of the shutdown, but Obama could end this at any time. He is like the man swimming across the river with too much gold, he has to let go of something like maybe the mandate or the fines.

You keep talking about the economy, but what of the people who will have their hours reduced who do not have an all powerful union like federal employees do?

Jesus man, if the ACA is funded the government will inplode under it's own weight.

Just how or who is going to pay for all this? You do not see debt as a problem. Why?

 

[Reverend Rick]

I will tell you what, when the ACA was passed, it was said it would cost less than one trillion. If the truth was told it would never had become law.

OK, pretend you are Obama and myself JB. You get one trillion for the ACA not a penny more deal?

 

[metis]

I will tell you what, when the ACA was passed, it was said it would cost less than one trillion. If the truth was told it would never had become law.

OK, pretend you are Obama and myself JB. You get one trillion for the ACA not a penny more deal?

The CBO has not at all estimated it anywhere near that, and there are some economists who believe the long-term effect may lower prices, although a larger number feel that it won't do that but will reduce the medical inflation rate versus what it was, which was a bit over 9% per year from 1998-2008. During that 11 year stretch, our total health-care system doubled in cost.

 

[metis]

BTW, there may be an end in sight as some have predicted. Two CEO's, who have been heavy contributors to the RNC, stated yesterday that they are no longer going to sending them any more donations. Owww, that's gonna hit the R's where it really hurts.

 

[Reverend Rick]

The ACA will reduce medical costs but it is still too expensive.

Here is an example, I have a 300,000 dollar Porche that I will let you have for 150,000,
How many do you want to take home with you today?

 

[LuisDantas]

You really don't get American politics.

That might well be enough to make an expert out of me.

Just as with DP's empty assertion that the goal for some is to shut down government, your claim that expression of ill feelings is their agenda is incredibly short sighted.

See? I'm already learning their ways.

The fighting is happening because we have 2 sides which both really disagree, will both exercise the threat to defund much of government, & as a result are viciously fuss'n & feud'n. You're part of the problem of propagating paralyzing political polarization when you simplistically demonize the other side by looking only for the worst in them.

Who are you talking about here? Me? The Tea Party? The GOP? Who exactly?

Now, if my criticism seems harsh,

No, it doesn't. It seems much too misguided to possibly be harsh.

 

[LuisDantas]

No. You need TV & radio for them.

So there is no "left-wing" equivalent to the web presence of Fox News?

I would expect otherwise.

 

[Brickjectivity]

this president has continued to receive little or no respect from republicans, arguably moreso than ever before.... once such blatant disrespect was unbecoming of any American let alone the GOP and Tparty..... this seems to have vanished, the lunatics really have taken over the asylumn, look at the dubya years he was hated, but he was worked with, grudgingly...but he was

Its true that Republicans have done a sparkling job of smearing a fairly decent president, although you're historically wrong about it being anything new. US presidential politics have always been nasty and dirty. The two parties compete to tell the most cunning lies that will smear other candidates. The Obama presidency has been compared to the Lincoln presidency which saw the beginning of our inter state war, because he was so feared by Republicans. They feared he would take over the country, was not a citizen, was a Muslim, was an athiest, was a paper-thin Christian, secretly homosexual, not 'Really' African American, had an alien in his chest -- you name it they said it.

"He is like the man swimming across the river with too much gold."

-- That would make a funny T-shirt.

The fighting is happening because we have 2 sides which both really disagree, will both exercise the threat to defund much of government, & as a result are viciously fuss'n & feud'n.

The fight is a smear campaign between aristocrats, true. They trash-talk candidates in public but in private the people they trash talk are anyone who believes their lies. Yeah its kind of sicko, like tripping an old man and laughing at him for falling.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

So...you have your own special window into their souls to view them rubbing their hands together chanting "Excellent! Excellent".


Reading such apologetics is like watching MSNBC, ie, there is only one side to any issue.

They've been all over TV and in the press expressing their gratification over the shutdown....This has nothing to do with MSNBC...

 

[metis]

The ACA will reduce medical costs but it is still too expensive.

Here is an example, I have a 300,000 dollar Porche that I will let you have for 150,000,
How many do you want to take home with you today?

If you're buying, how about a couple?

As a country, we spend over 17% of our GDP on health care whereas the next most expensive industrialized country is just over 12%. And, according to the W.H.O., we are ranked 37th, which is the lowest of all industrialized countries (#1 is France, btw). But even that's a bit deceiving because they all have universal coverage and we don't.

So, what's created our problem? We're the only country that has created a huge for-profit market in health care. Even though it may seem counter-intuitive to some because many picture competition as somehow always being intrinsically good, sometimes it doesn't work out that way.

For example, the overage overhead with private insurers nationally is 29% of gross, whereas with Medicare it's around 3%. What drives up the first figure? Advertising expenses and duplication.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

DP, you keep repeating yourself. How many times are you going to say "Clean CR"?

JB said NO, and that is how it is going to be. I know it must be frustrating to almost cross the Obamacare finishline only to be stopped on the last step, (funding).

Funding for the ACA happens regardless of what JB does..

I will admit we Pubs must take ownership of the shutdown, but Obama could end this at any time. He is like the man swimming across the river with too much gold, he has to let go of something like maybe the mandate or the fines.

Nope...the ACA has nothing to do with the CR or the Debt ceiling....

Your move..!

You keep talking about the economy, but what of the people who will have their hours reduced who do not have an all powerful union like federal employees do?

Again...the move to reduce hours went into effect before the ACA. Wal-Mart, one of the nation's largest employers, announced last week it was proceeding to take their part-time workers off of part-time and begin to provide healthcare.

Jesus man, if the ACA is funded the government will inplode under it's own weight.

No it won't....

Just how or who is going to pay for all this? You do not see debt as a problem. Why?

Who's going to continue to pay for the CURRENT exploding cost of healthcare in this country....?

How about we provide healthcare for all and do away with all these various forms of healthcare including the ACA. It will be much cheaper than what we've had over these past decades....