You want to bring ILLEGAL Hispanics just because they vote for you. And when we object, we are called racsist.
Nobody said that Phil.
You are just plain wrong.
Tom
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You want to bring ILLEGAL Hispanics just because they vote for you. And when we object, we are called racsist.
Half the nation opposes the above. Thats who Republicans represent.
As far as voting rights...everyone supports it. Try messing with the right to vote for whites, blacks, Hispanics etc. and people will become outraged and actually show up to the polls to vote just because. In all of the states where Republicans were enacting various voting criteria and it began to disenfranchise people the people showed up in drives standing in line for more that 4, 6, 12 hours just to vote in 2012Latinos support a woman's right to make decisions.
74% of Latino registered voters agree that a woman has a right to make her own personal, private decisions about abortion without politicians interfering.
On the minimum wage..Well most Americans are for raising the minimum wage. But again we're talking about Latinos and they're for raising it too.....Latinos’ views of same-sex marriage have changed dramatically in recent years. In 2012 for the first time, more Latinos said they favored same-sex marriage than opposed it (52% versus 34%) according to a Pew Hispanic Center survey.
There's no need for me to even bring up a stat on immigration. The majority of Hispanics are in favor of comprehensive immigration. So it's easy to say what America is for or against when we're pretty much talking about what the majority of Hispanic people want. What they're for the Republican party has either said they're against it and/or written policies to that effect...More Latinos stated the minimum wage should increase than others ethnicities. Latinos, at 62 percent, stated the minimum wage should increase.........
You want to bring ILLEGAL Hispanics just because they vote for you. And when we object, we are called racsist.
Are you seriously referring to me, a mild-mannered Canadian, as a lying warmongering hawk? Are you seriously suggesting that I am trying to rewrite history? Seriously?What do you expect from people when they hear lying warmongering hawks try and re-write history...
Then you should be VERY concerned about Mr. Obama's comments about "I have a pen and a phone". The downside to the concept of the imperial president is that too much power is placed into the hands of one person. This is all fine and dandy, if the sitting president is of your political persuasion or at least tolerably so. Where this becomes a real problem is that the next "Uber" president can undo all the things the previous president did via the same mechanism. That is NOT how things are supposed to work and the greatest failing of Obama is that he is unable to negotiate his way out of a paper bag. Like you would expect with a Professor, he is good outlining what he wants and how he wants to accomplish that but he doesn't handle criticism or rejection very well - at all.So do most people....even many us on the left..including me...
That is not a fair analysis of the grid-lock though. You don't find it unsettling that a sitting President is, by your own words, being complacent? To me, that IS the problem. Is it any wonder the Republicans cannot work with the man? Tell me, how can one actually work with a person who is complacent? I'm all ears. By definition, it is his way or the highway. Remember his comment to Eric Cantor? "Elections have consequences."Wrong. He's been nothing but complacent with Republicans and welcomes the opportunity for them to get serious on a whole range of issues that the American people actually care about.
It's sort of a perfect storm scenario where the American people elected incompetence over vision on both sides of the aisle.They vowed day one not to work with him and not much has changed since. Which might be one of the reasons the 112th and 113th congress have the lowest rating than any other congress in history. So no one is trying to stick anything to the republicans. What they've done they've done to themselves.
Most American liked their insurance before the monstrosity known as the ACA was shoved down the throats of the American people.Yet most Americans like their health insurance now...Even 74% of Republicans like their health insurance.
But he isn't correct. It's not his job to make law. It's his job to work with congress. It's not his job to issue edicts. It is up to congress and the senate to do the work. The problem with this of course is that you can find yourself in polarized periods where nothing seems to get done due to ideologues on both sides of the aisle. That polarization is not an invitation for a president to do the work that is not his to do.But he's correct. If congress won't do their job then he'll do what needs to be done to get things done for the American people. He's got a pen that can sign executive orders. Something ALL presidents past and future used/will use. Mind you he's actually used it less than many of his predecessors. He has a phone so that congress can call him in order to work with him instead of getting paid public funds to take vacations...
As loathsome as Joe Biden is, of late, I'm seriously thinking that he could not possibly be worse than Obama. Maybe nearly as bad, but being worse would take some time. Joe at least has 30 years of jumping through hoops in Washington. So, he might actually be able to get people talking. Then again, the guy isn't exactly the sharpest tack in the box. That said, I'm not in favor of impeaching Obama.Then impeach the guy. They won't because there's no there...there.
I know, it does sound crazy. What you deftly left out was the simple fact that Obama and Democrats fought the Republicans tooth and nail over delaying the implementation. For Obama, to fight against them for so long over that and then do it anyways isn't a bit disingenuous? Seriously? The things is, the suit, if executed properly could result in a review of presidential over-reach. Our kids might well thank us years from now.Instead Boehner is "suing" (yea right) him over the employer mandate that even they wanted him to delay..now they want to sue him to reverse and implement the law even faster. Come on now..!
DO NOT presume to know my thinking on foreign affairs, Dirty Penguin. The Ukranian thing is a bit of a no-brainer considering Russia is directly involved. In your heart of hearts, do you seriously believe that Russia would have done this if a Republican president was sitting in the Oval Office? I don't think Putin is that dumb. With Obama, on the other hand.... oh hell, let's see what happens...Yet his decisions to not get involved or commit troops to costly foreign adventurism is on par with the American people. War hawks want to give weapons to people we never trusted before simply because they're fighting the guy we like even less. They wanted to aide Ukraine in the early days of the dust up even though many of the Ukrainians were defecting and going over to Russia...surrendering and handing over their weapons. Had we given them weapons they would have ended up in the hands of the Russians to be used against Ukrainians. You and yours think we need to stick our nose in foreign affairs. Me and mine want to stay out of it.
I have a very good grasp of history and geo-politics, Dirty Penguin. Much better than the norm. What you are ignoring is that America chose the wrong person to lead and the world leaders have taken note. The NSA/Snowden scandal didn't exactly help things much either, but that was NOT Obama's fault. I don't know about you, but I would have given almost anything to Russia to get Snowden back and put him on trial. Maybe not the Ukraine, but I would have made it worth their while.And to lay it at the feet of one president when America has cultivated this hatred for dozens of years under many presidents means you don't have a firm grasp on history or how foreign relations work.
A fine mess American voters have created for themselves. Spiffy.How about you check the work calendar of the president compared to our do nothing congress. They're off playing golf way more than the president. Shucks...when asked about terrorist and terrorism..the previous president was actually on the golf course. He gave some glib response and then turned to the camera and said...(Now watch this swing)....so spare me the mantra about "the president goes golfing"....
Obama Contends With Arc of Instability Unseen Since '70s - WSJ
The article talks about the current global instability being the highest since the 70s. Palestine, Iraq, Ukraine, Iran, Pakistan and China-Japan, etc.
Do you guys think President Obama is doing a good job regarding the circumstances, being cautious about enforcing American intervention?
Or has he failed by showing the world that the US is powerless, weak and afraid?
Are you seriously referring to me, a mild-mannered Canadian, as a lying warmongering hawk? Are you seriously suggesting that I am trying to rewrite history? Seriously?
I have no doubt you will give it a try. How persuasive your argument will be is quite another thing.
Of course you don't. You're predictable. All three country's where these refugees are coming from are some of the most violent places in Central America. This isn't even in dispute.Personally, I don't buy into the idea that they are fleeing.
That's pretty much what I keep hearing from those on the right but when you actually talk to Hispanic people, especially the younger generation of voters, it has to do with the Republican agenda and policies. If your policies don't address their socio-economic concerns they tend to not want to waste their vote.That said, the Latino vote traditionally votes for the Dems, so those who will be given amnesty likely reward those who let them stay.
I see. You're just playing the speculation game.......:sad:Not yet, at least. Mr. "I have a pen and a phone" might unilaterally decide to flout congress and give it a try.
Well. it's not like Republicans would actually do it. And no one listens to "Failed Vice Presidential Candidate" Paul Ryan. If Boehner put the Senate immigration bill on the floor it would pass which is why he won't bring it up for a vote. Congress doesn't work these days. Have you looked at their calendar? I think they're going to be off pretty much the whole month of August. On average they make $175K a year. Multiply that by the members of congress times 30 and I believe that's up in the millions we're paying them to go on vacations. And I'm being fair because I'm including Dems and Pubs.Especially now that that evil animal Paul Ryan is on record as saying that Immigration will not pass this year. I doubt the Golf Pro-in-Chief will be able to resist. I could be wrong though.
But it has nothing to do with Obama. He's following a 2008 law. The rest is up to the courts.I don't know about you, but I don't imagine that the Courts are going to be too hard on kids.
It was under the Dem controlled (110th Congress) House when things got done and bills got passed. The bill had huge bipartisan support and outside group support from non other than evangelicals and signed into law by G.W. Bush.I can't help but wonder were the Dems in control of the House and the Senate at that point or was it before the mid-terms?
This solves nothing. The refugees that are here aren't the ones from Mexico. Their plight is strikingly different than the ones we encounter trying to sneak into the country for work and money. The ones that came here actually gave themselves up and welcomed being taken into custody by the border patrol. And as far "enforcing the law" that's exactly what the administration is doing. They're following the 2008 law the Bush administration put in place.
Are you seriously referring to me, a mild-mannered Canadian, as a lying warmongering hawk? Are you seriously suggesting that I am trying to rewrite history? Seriously?
I'm not. The people know and understand that Washington is broken. It's been broken since 2010...since the 112th congress. But many want to know what can the president do in the face of explicit opposition. The President has the power to issue executive orders. If this was the "imperial" part you're referring to then please know that presidents past have used it. Some of them more than Obama. Was Bush an imperial president? I believed he wielded the pen more. I think Clinton did too.Then you should be VERY concerned about Mr. Obama's comments about "I have a pen and a phone".
No because pretty much at every turn he's tried to compromise. Some in the Republican party view compromise and meeting the Democrats half way inconceivable and many of them are ruled by outside big money special interest. So the mantra is Washington is NO, NO Compromise, Filibuster......unless it's military spending and paying for the military by cuts to the working poor and the middle income.That is not a fair analysis of the grid-lock though. You don't find it unsettling that a sitting President is, by your own words, being complacent?
Well you'll never hear me deny that. I find that there are some decency on both sides and some incompetence on both sides.It's sort of a perfect storm scenario where the American people elected incompetence over vision on both sides of the aisle.
Many of these people had crap insurance with caveats that gave the insurance provider outs and loopholes when claims were being filed as well as kicking people off for various minor errors on their paperwork. You can hate on it all you like. There are many things about it I don't like. I don't like the fact that it's NOT Universal Healthcare. I do like the fact that the rhetoric has calmed down and many of those people you talk about have moved on with new policies that are stronger than before. No being denied for pre-existing conditions and no lifetime caps are some of the big ones.Most American liked their insurance before the monstrosity known as the ACA was shoved down the throats of the American people.
If he was wrong then that power to do so would have been stripped from all presidents and it hasn't. If he was wrong then Boehner would be suing him over that instead of wasting taxpayer money to sue Obama over something he and his party wanted from the start.But he isn't correct. It's not his job to make law. It's his job to work with congress.
Then obviously he's not the law breaking, power hungry, hard nosed, imperial president you make him out to be.I'm not in favor of impeaching Obama.
Boehner has no standing. He knows it. This is for show...and in the process he's going to use taxpayer funds to do it.The things is, the suit, if executed properly could result in a review of presidential over-reach. Our kids might well thank us years from now.
Yes. This isn't the first time Russia has done something against another nation even where there were republican presidents in office.DO NOT presume to know my thinking on foreign affairs, Dirty Penguin. The Ukranian thing is a bit of a no-brainer considering Russia is directly involved. In your heart of hearts, do you seriously believe that Russia would have done this if a Republican president was sitting in the Oval Office?
We actually had an American, a congressman, on board. Our president then, like our president now, issued some strong words but no action was done. That wasn't a "my bad" situation either.Korean Air Lines Flight 007 (also known as KAL007 and KE007) was a scheduled Korean Air Lines flight from New York City to Seoul via Anchorage. On September 1, 1983, the airliner serving the flight was shot down by a Soviet Su-15 interceptor near Moneron Island, west of Sakhalin Island, in the Sea of Japan. The interceptor's pilot was Major Gennadi Osipovich. All 269 passengers and crew aboard were killed, including Lawrence McDonald, representative from Georgia in the United States House of Representatives.
Georgia 'overrun' by Russian troops as full-scale ground invasion begins | Mail OnlineAn international diplomatic crisis between Georgia and Russia began in 2008, when both countries accused each other of military buildup near the separatist regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. On 6 March 2008, Russia announced that it would no longer participate in the Commonwealth of Independent States economic sanctions imposed on Abkhazia in 1996.Increasing tensions led to the outbreak of the Russo-Georgian War in 2008.
Georgian officials tonight claimed the country had been 'overrun' by Russian troops after a full-scale ground invasion.
Amid reports that Moscow forces had taken the town of Gori - and were marching on the capital Tsblisi - Georgian soldiers appeared to be in full retreat.
Troops were apparently in complete chaos as a full-scale rout pushed them back through the countryside.
Meanwhile, the civilian crisis intensified with thousands of refugees fleeing the seemingly unstoppable advance of the Russian army.
Your problem as well as others is you believe Putin actually cares who's in the Whitehouse. Obviously he doesn't. In fact...he doesn't care about the UN, NATO or any of that...He along with the rest of the nations are tied together at the financial hip through natural resources and trade among other things.I don't think Putin is that dumb. With Obama, on the other hand.... oh hell, let's see what happens...
And you seem to think this president or any other president has the power to do something about it. None of them, past. present or future can without "DECLARING WAR"....This is the problem with the whole rhetoric. We've issued sanctions and even the latest round of sanctions had Putin on the phone calling Obama to complain. But if you think we should be doing something beyond what we're currently doing then you're going to have to spell it out. Is it war?I have a very good grasp of history and geo-politics, Dirty Penguin. Much better than the norm. What you are ignoring is that America chose the wrong person to lead and the world leaders have taken note.
It was EVERY administrations fault. These types of secrets, questionable or down right illegal activity didn't start with Bush's Patriot Act or Obama keeping much of it going... Snowden did what he felt was the right thing.The NSA/Snowden scandal didn't exactly help things much either, but that was NOT Obama's fault.
Talk to me in two years when we got another Republican in there mucking it up again....because that seemed to work out so well for us before...A fine mess American voters have created for themselves. Spiffy.
I think Obama has spectacularly failed on geopolitics. His domestic policy isn't bad, but his inaction on Georgia and Crimea has given Russia a lot of power.
His inaction on Iraq allows ISIS to continue expanding.
His inaction on China allows it to continue threatening other nations and expanding it's reach.
The old order is breaking down. The President wants to play by the rules, but the rules don't apply in the world.
Please explain your reasoning on the difference between those from Mexico and those from other countries entering the US illegally.
I think we should have stayed out of WW2 too, everyone would have been happy, especially Hitler as without America, he could have defeated USSR.
Japan would have been happy to because it could then have had its own way in East Asia. Everyone's happy.
But again I will say a Republican in office in his spot would have probably started world war 3, so in comparison to them he's better.
I have a few times in this very thread already....
Only problem is you do not provide proof. Just speculation by others.
Over a decade before President Barack Obama described the influx of unaccompanied child migrants to the United States as an “urgent humanitarian situation requiring a unified and coordinated Federal response,” child and refugee advocates warned that children who shared experiences of years-long family separation, widespread violence in home countries, and higher rates of neglect and abuse were fleeing from South of our border in alarming numbers. Then as now, over 95 percent were from Mexico and the Central American nations of El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. When these children were apprehended in the U.S., the Trafficking and Victim’s Protection Reauthorization Act (TVPRA) required agents to ask limited and straightforward abuse questions. If the child was determined to be without a parent or legal guardian, s/he had to be transferred to Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) care within 72 hours.
Yet, even though 8,000 to 40,000 unaccompanied child migrants were apprehended annually between 2003 and 2011, only 4,800 to 8,300 entered ORR’s care each year. A 2011 report by the Appleseed Foundation documented that most Mexican child migrants did not receive TVPRA screening and thus could not transition to ORR care. Instead, per an agreement between the Mexican and U.S. governments that Obama would like emulated among Central American countries, Mexican children were quickly deported.
Below vox breaks down the numbers and some of the underlying reasons these people are fleeing their homelands...and the US isn't the only country many of these people are seeking asylum.Based on the evidence I collected and analyzed to date, violence, extreme poverty, and family reunification play important roles in pushing kids to leave their country of origin. In particular, crime, gang threats, or violence appear to be the strongest determinants for children’s decision to emigrate. When asked why they left their home, 59 percent of Salvadoran boys and 61 percent of Salvadoran girls list one of those factors as a reason for their emigration.
The Obama administration doesn't have much leeway in dealing with unaccompanied child migrants. That's because Congress set a particular process here as a way of fighting human trafficking.
Most of this process was codified by Congress under the Homeland Security Act of 2002; Congress added some additional protections under the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act, in 2008.
Under current law, the Border Patrol is required to take child migrants who aren't from Mexico into custody, screen them, and transfer them to the Office of Refugee Resettlement (a part of the Department of Health and Human Services).
The law tasks HHS with either finding a suitable relative to whom the child can be released, or putting the child in long-term foster care. For more about how that process is supposed to work — and some of the problems with it being overloaded — see here.
The inflexibility here is one reason why the Obama administration and Congress are now talking about changes to the law.
there is instability no matter who is the head of the american government.
There has always been instability because people are not capable of successful self-governance.