Obama's Speech to School Kids

[T-Dawg]

We couldnt afford private school and I was warned by a professional to not attempt to homeschool my last one when I suggested it.I dont think that means I shouldnt have kids.

Fair enough, although in that situation, I would probably stop trusting that professional. Have you supplemented their public education with your own thoughts? I've seen the public schools, and I pity anyone who has no knowledge other than what he learned in school =/.

Teaching tactic as a course would be good.Teaching speech is good.Being stuck in your seat without recourse....and not able to say 'nay'....bad.

The kids are not able to say nay or argue with Obama's ideas in class? Eh, I can certainly see why THAT would upset people.

I pity your kids. They're doomed to have to fight against you every step of the way if they want to learn anything about the world they live in.

It's not that bad. I did it with my parents . (Remember, my Reagan-loving dad, and my "healthcare is not a right" mom?)

Have you ever been in an American public classroom?The entire environment is one big indoctrination into patriotism and political bias.

Agreed, which is why I advocate homeschooling .

I am sure that having a written constitution is a good part of the problem...

I used to think something similar to this, but then I realized it was the only thing standing between me and totaltarianism. Actually, for the past century, it's barely been standing, particularly in the last decade.

Sure, so, after your children hear the president's speech, you talk to them about it. You ask them about it, and you tell them what you think about it. It's not hard.

Good idea. Didn't I suggest this earlier, or did I think it was too obvious even for the neocon fundies? XD

So, the president is a stranger? That's an odd way of looking at it.

Well, he sorta is a stranger. I have not met him, and I have not heard him give detailed, or even honest, descriptions of what he's planning to do. Obama sorta reminds me of Bush, somehow - everyone loves him at first, everyone thinks he's a savior (except his political opponents), and I bet by the end of his second term (which he'll probably get by exploiting fear of the republicans), everyone will hate him. I've seen this before. Or, maybe he'll be more like Reagan, who, despite being a terrible president (and possibly our worst), is widely loved and respected even by his political opposition. I'm not sure yet.

 

[DallasApple]

Fair enough, although in that situation, I would probably stop trusting that professor. Have you supplemented their public education with your own thoughts? I've seen the public schools, and I pity anyone who has no knowledge other than what he learned in school =/.[quoteTeaching tactic as a course would be good.Teaching speech is good.Being stuck in your seat without recourse....and not able to say 'nay'....bad END QUOTE

It wasnt a "professor".I said "professional".

And yes I discuss ideas with my children and we discuss what is going on in the world and in their class rooms.

Love

Dallas

 

[Autodidact]

Thanks for the spelling lesson.
I suppose I can wait a day or two for the speech to come and go.

But here's a lesson about children.
First impressions stick real hard, and with children, what you say can influence their thought processes for life.
The school room is not the place for politics...of any kind.
The art of speech making is inherently ambiguous.

The only way to insure the influence is to be first in line what your children are taught.

The damage of a misinterpreted idea can stain a mind permanently.
Politics in school? only if taught as technique.

The speech isn't about politics. It's about how you can succeed in life if you work hard in school--just like the man giving the speech.

 

[T-Dawg]

Thanks for catching the grammatical/typing errors. I do that sometimes =/.

The speech isn't about politics. It's about how you can succeed in life if you work hard in school--just like the man giving the speech.

Then why is everyone making a big deal over this?

 

[Bismillah]

Then why is everyone making a big deal over this?

The Republican circus act.

 

[Nepenthe]

I do that sometimes =/.Then why is everyone making a big deal over this?

That's kind of the point- the right is whipped up into a hysteria over nothing. It's an attempt to smear Obama by any means necessary.

 

[Bismillah]

Now...if the child is old enough to be shown what politics is....as a technique...fine.

Teaching tactic as a course would be good.
Teaching speech is good.
Being stuck in your seat without recourse....and not able to say 'nay'....bad.

The president is not a teacher...just because he got elected.

I think you have the ellipses and the comma confused.

 

[DallasApple]

Ironically while we were discussing this my son handed me a "permision slip" to sign if I did NOT want him to see the address on Thursday this next week.

He is an 8th grader at a school here smack in the middle of North Dallas.Im actually glad our schools here are showing it and the parents have a "choice" to sign that they can NOT view the evil adress and they will plan another activity for those parents who object.

I've never seen anything else like this except for sex education ...

Love

Dallas

 

[Engyo]

There's a point some folks are missing here - what happens when you tell kids they can't or shouldn't watch, see or read something? Drink something, smoke something, and on and on and on. It only makes it more attractive, no?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But here's a lesson about children.
First impressions stick real hard, and with children, what you say can influence their thought processes for life.
The school room is not the place for politics...of any kind.
The art of speech making is inherently ambiguous.

What is so political about saying "Stay in school, and strive for good grades"? It's called being a good leader, or at least attempting to be responsible and encourage the future generation to do good in school.

 

[Thief]

We will know more about the content...after the speech.
The current point I was stressing was tactics.
Our children are a captive audience.

 

[Falvlun]

We will know more about the content...after the speech.
The current point I was stressing was tactics.
Our children are a captive audience.

A captive audience? Like they are when a teacher teaches them math, English, science, etc?

 

[Thief]

There you go. Now your thinking.
It's been awhile, but in decades past, parents actually disliked the idea of sending their children to school.
Then someone past a law to make it mandatory.
Time went by and the decision whether Johnny needs to read was no longer an issue. The world had become complex enough, anti-school rhetoric faded.
Of course, Johnny needs to read.

Then came the crisis that our school systems are failing...Johnny can't read.

Recently, some courses are taught on lap top only.

And now our politicians want their faces in the eyes of our children.

Johnny might not be able to read, but he play computer games like a demon.
And very soon now, when you tell him he's wrong about Obama, all you'll get is an argument.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There you go. Now your thinking.
It's been awhile, but in decades past, parents actually disliked the idea of sending their children to school.
Then someone past a law to make it mandatory.
Time went by and the decision whether Johnny needs to read was no longer an issue. The world had become complex enough, anti-school rhetoric faded.
Of course, Johnny needs to read.

I do not like our current school system, but like it or not, our school systems brain wash kids on some levels starting on day one. Whether it be from text books, teachers, principals, or peers, kids learn about stuff, and even adopt certain characteristics for their own, from school, and while some of it isn't bad, some of it will infuriate you. And that is just whats in the schools. Personally, I do not want my future kids learning about ID or Creationism in a science class, but in some states, it is state required.
And while school isn't good in all aspects, it is still very important. If people do not get at least some form of education, it only paves the way for the educated to take advantage of the uneducated.

Johnny might not be able to read, but he play computer games like a demon.
And very soon now, when you tell him he's wrong about Obama, all you'll get is an argument.

Just because Obama might indoctrinate kids with his speech, doesn't mean all kids will like him. Parents still hold a very powerful sway in their children's minds. That is of course, if the parent is actually being a parent.

 

[DallasApple]

There you go. Now your thinking.
It's been awhile, but in decades past, parents actually disliked the idea of sending their children to school.
Then someone past a law to make it mandatory.
Time went by and the decision whether Johnny needs to read was no longer an issue. The world had become complex enough, anti-school rhetoric faded.
Of course, Johnny needs to read.

Then came the crisis that our school systems are failing...Johnny can't read.

Recently, some courses are taught on lap top only.

And now our politicians want their faces in the eyes of our children.

Johnny might not be able to read, but he play computer games like a demon.
And very soon now, when you tell him he's wrong about Obama, all you'll get is an argument.

Dont buy Johnny any computer games then.DUH!

And if my kid caint read by 3rd grade in the schools mine are in they don't pass.They get held back.And that doesnt happen very often in the city I live in.

And if you tell hm he's wrong about Obama what is wrong with an "argument" if he doesnt agree?

If the only reason you are having 'kids" is to have a photo copy of yourself then you are pretty full of your self and having kids for the most arrogant and self centered reasons.Especially because maybe your wrong.Did you ever think of that!

Love

Dallas

 

[Sunstone]

People who live in the same representative society as each other have a moral obligation to be as educated as they reasonably can be -- both for their own sake and the sake of others. I'm tired of the "conservative" tendency to slack off at everyone else's expense. Conservatives need to take some responsibility.

 

[Thief]

You're sloughing the point to say I'm full of myself.
And quite frankly, I don't have a problem with my children learning the lessons I teach them. They should pay attention to their parents.

And I don't need the president to give my kids advice about staying in school.
I do that.
After the speech I'm sure you'll agree...Obama didn't really have anything to promote but his own agenda.

 

[Bismillah]

And I don't need the president to give my kids advice about staying in school.
I do that.

The thing is President Obama isn't dedicating his speech and time just for your kids. It's an address to every American student, in particular to those living in the ghetto and attending run down schools. As an immigrant to America I used to live in Detroit. I had friends who were drug dealing in grade school instead of doing homework. Have you ever considered that Obama may be an inspiration to some deprived children?

What is your rationale for denying these children a speech from their role model?

 

[Father Heathen]

I do not understand Americans.

I do not understand sweeping generalizations.

 

[Thief]

Already gave my rationale for objection.
Please search this thread.