Observers not allowed to monitor the vote count by the Democrats.

[Shadow Wolf]

Christ alive. This election is more dramatic than a soap opera

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I found a real, totally legit picture of Trump during his speech (anyone who says it's fake is fake news, so don't listen to them fakers)

 

[Watchmen]

Fixed it for you:

So why are Democrats blocking observers?

Yes.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Fixed it for you:

So why are Democrats blocking observers?

Trump campaign claims Philadelphia defying court-ordered election observation

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Trump campaign claims Philadelphia defying court-ordered election observation

I guess you missed the word "claims" there.

And the claim isn't that they aren't allowed to monitor the ballot counting; the claim is that they're being allowed to monitor it, only from somewhat more than 6 feet away.

It's pretty sad that this is the straw you're clinging to.

Edit: and where is there any allegation against Democrats?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes.

Sure. Whatever you say.

 

[AgnosticGuy]

I guess you missed the word "claims" there.

And the claim isn't that they aren't allowed to monitor the ballot counting; the claim is that they're being allowed to monitor it, only from somewhat more than 6 feet away.

It's pretty sad that this is the straw you're clinging to.

Edit: and where is there any allegation against Democrats?

I think it is legitimate to question. But it seems that many want to draw conclusions before the evidence is in. If anything, all elections should be ran where you have at least two people involved in every manual count of ballots. No one should have a problem with this and if they did, I'd question it.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I think it is legitimate to question.

I'm not sure it is, but that's irrelevant because the Trump campaign certainly isn't just "questioning." They're desperately attempting to undermine confidence in the electoral system based on nothing but lies.

Even their fellow Republicans have had enough of Trump's crap. By casting doubt on the legitimacy of the electoral system, Trump is casting doubt on the legitimacy of everyone who was elected... and about half of them were Republicans.

Rep. Will Hurd (R-Texas), who announced in 2019 that he would not seek reelection in this year, also rebuked the president in a tweet on Thursday, saying that his comments are "dangerous" and "wrong."

"A sitting president undermining our political process & questioning the legality of the voices of countless Americans without evidence is not only dangerous & wrong, it undermines the very foundation this nation was built upon. Every American should have his or her vote counted," Hurd said.

Republicans rebuke Trump over claims of voter fraud

I think this latest tactic of Trump's is basically an admission that he can't win. He's fine with trying to burn everything to the ground because he knows that he's not going to have to deal with the fallout.

 

[Father Heathen]

Trump goes off no doubt, but one thing I noticed that there is some truth associated with things he's says to a greater extent.

Uh, nope.

As the left likes to say, "If there is nothing to hide, then there is nothing to worry about".

There isn't anything to hide. That's why we ask for evidence. Also, it was the right who said that when they used the Patriot Act to invade people's privacy.

 

[AgnosticGuy]

I'm not sure it is, but that's irrelevant because the Trump campaign certainly isn't just "questioning." They're desperately attempting to undermine confidence in the electoral system based on nothing but lies.

Well I'm sure Trump is doing this for more than just wanting to know the truth, but his point is valid when it comes to there needing to be more transparency when it comes to poll watchers and other issues involving mail-in ballots. Doing this of course can lead to Biden winning. But the main point of a member here, Twilight Hue, started this thread asking if it's questionable that people wanted less transparency and the answer to that should be yes.

Here's the lack of transparency I'm referring to:
"They are still not being compliant," Bondi said. She claimed that barriers were moved close to election counting but ballot machines were moved further back to prevent observers from monitoring."
Trump campaign claims Philadelphia defying court-ordered election observation


If there is no cheating going on, then why limit safeguards that would ensure that ballots are valid?

When it comes to evidence of actual cheating, I posted a video of Trump's lawyers saying they have evidence. They are in the process of gathering more so they can build a case.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well I'm sure Trump is doing this for more than just wanting to know the truth, but his point is valid when it comes to there needing to be more transparency when it comes to poll watchers and other issues involving mail-in ballots. Doing this of course can lead to Biden winning. But the main point of a member here, Twilight Hue, started this thread asking if it's questionable that people wanted less transparency and the answer to that should be yes.

Here's the lack of transparency I'm referring to:
"They are still not being compliant," Bondi said. She claimed that barriers were moved close to election counting but ballot machines were moved further back to prevent observers from monitoring."
Trump campaign claims Philadelphia defying court-ordered election observation


If there is no cheating going on, then why limit safeguards that would ensure that ballots are valid?

When it comes to evidence of actual cheating, I posted a video of Trump's lawyers saying they have evidence. They are in the process of gathering more so they can build a case.

How quickly people forget. In a crowded area six feet is a bit too close for comfort. We are in the middle of a pandemic. Now Pennsylvania may have over reacted with the distance that they first set, but it was clearly not due to cheating. Pennsylvania has a Republican governor and I do not think that they would cheat to help Biden.

 

[AgnosticGuy]

How quickly people forget. In a crowded area six feet is a bit too close for comfort. We are in the middle of a pandemic. Now Pennsylvania may have over reacted with the distance that they first set, but it was clearly not due to cheating. Pennsylvania has a Republican governor and I do not think that they would cheat to help Biden.

Fact Check:
Governor Tom Wolf is a Republican.

Verdict:
That is false. He's a democrat.


Fact Check:
We're in a pandemic, therefore workers should be 6 ft. apart.

Verdict:
It is true that we're in a pandemic, but workers can be in close contact at times, and I would think those times would be for important matters, like a presidential election and ensuring its integrity! Notice when there are protests, these same Democrat governors don't worry about social distancing.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well I'm sure Trump is doing this for more than just wanting to know the truth, but his point is valid when it comes to there needing to be more transparency when it comes to poll watchers and other issues involving mail-in ballots. Doing this of course can lead to Biden winning. But the main point of a member here, Twilight Hue, started this thread asking if it's questionable that people wanted less transparency and the answer to that should be yes.

Here's the lack of transparency I'm referring to:
"They are still not being compliant," Bondi said. She claimed that barriers were moved close to election counting but ballot machines were moved further back to prevent observers from monitoring."
Trump campaign claims Philadelphia defying court-ordered election observation


If there is no cheating going on, then why limit safeguards that would ensure that ballots are valid?

When it comes to evidence of actual cheating, I posted a video of Trump's lawyers saying they have evidence. They are in the process of gathering more so they can build a case.

You know, it would be great if these kind of things had unlimited public access. Like a viewing floor that does not interfere with the people counting.

Why would poll attendees block off windows and doors so they can't see inside? People are naturally going to think something is rotten in Denmark there.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Fact Check:
Governor Tom Wolf is a Republican.

Verdict:
That is false. He's a democrat.


Fact Check:
We're in a pandemic, therefore workers should be 6 ft. apart.

Verdict:
It is true that we're in a pandemic, but workers can be in close contact at times, and I would think those times would be for important matters, like a presidential election and ensuring its integrity! Notice when there are protests, these same Democrat governors don't worry about social distancing.

Okay, I was wrong about the governor but still correct about the pandemic.

 

[SomeRandom]

I had to watch Trump's speech today, because I knew nothing else like that would ever happen again.
It affirmed why I don't watch that many TV shows or movies. But it was made worse because Trump sounded like a child who just gained competence in reading out loud.

I mean, doesn’t he always sound like that? I remember watching him on TV when he was a “celeb” and even as a kid I could tell he wasn’t particularly eloquent, to put it mildly

 

[Trailblazer]

Trump lies.

Like a rug.

 

[Trailblazer]

Where is the problem?

The problem is that Trump and his followers are sore losers.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes.

Evidence?

 

[Altfish]

Why? Why are observers not allowed to monitor the count?

Are the Democrats hiding something people don't want to see?

Even Fox News debunked this nonsense.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

So why are Democrats blocking observers?

They are not. You are repeating lies.
Different states have different laws/rules as to how many observers may be present at the counts.
these laws/rules are being complied with by both parties. and by the supervisors of the counts.

 

[Father Heathen]

Even Fox News debunked this nonsense.

There ya go; strait from their own trough.