Officer Barney Fife mistakes gun for a tazer in shooting a black man. Biden calls for peace.

[Subduction Zone]

I don't see it that way.

I know. But that appears to be bias. To be "negligent homicide" there must be a criminal act of "gross negligence":

Gross Negligence - Definition, Examples, Cases, Processes

I do not see how the actions the officer could qualify as gross negligence. It is not even regular negligence. It was an accident. Perhaps better training would have made this less likely, but that is not the fault of the officer. Officers are undertrained right now largely due to the police departments being underfunded as it is. The "defund" the police movement will only make a bad situation worse.

 

[McBell]

Let's play this out with a civilian.

cool
I like hypotheticals.

If I accidentially shot a guy with my pistol because I originally wanted to use a taser, what kind of charges would I be facing, and how long would I likely have to stay in prison?

why, as a civilian, are you attempting to arrest someone?

 

[We Never Know]

Not a valid question. As a civilian it is not your job to arrest people. You would have been doing something that as a civilian that you were really not supposed to do. This was an act that cannot really be dealt with in that sort of analogy.

But they didn't say they were trying to arrest them.
Maybe in their hypothetically scenario they were setting at his home playing with a taser and he was going to tase his buddy but accidentky grabbed his gun instead and shot him.

 

[McBell]

here's a twist......
do not shoot the suspect UNLESS he is a threat of harm
it seems you may do so IF YOU ARE SURE......he is dangerous in same way
perhaps is he known to be armed
are you witness some assault

but hey.....if he punched you hard enough to knock you down
and THEN backed off
the attack has stopped
and you don't get to hit him back

Seems to me that most people do not understand the legalities of "self defense".

 

[McBell]

Maybe hypothetically they are they

But they didn't say they were trying to arrest them.
Maybe in their hypothetically scenario they were setting at his home playing with a taser and he was going to tase his buddy but accidentky grabbed his gun instead and shot him.

Except they started the whole hypothetical with "Let's play this out with a civilian" and then proceeded with "If I accidentially shot ...".

Which indicates, at least to me, that they are playing out the same scenario only replacing the police officer with themself.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But they didn't say they were trying to arrest them.
Maybe in their hypothetically scenario they were setting at his home playing with a taser and he was going to tase his buddy but accidentky grabbed his gun instead and shot him.

However if its without a civilian I would assume they are both police, military, etc.

It still fails badly. You need similar situations, stress levels, and the situation needs to be justifiable. The police officer had a valid reason to use a teaser. In your situation, not so much.

The officers were trying to arrest someone, they were not playing silly drinking games. Outright fail for an analogy.

 

[We Never Know]

It still fails badly. You need similar situations, stress levels, and the situation needs to be justifiable. The police officer had a valid reason to use a teaser. In your situation, not so much.

Another example...

Maybe in their hypothetically scenario they were setting at home and someone was trying to break in his house by coming through his window. He was going to tase them but accidently grabbed his gun and instead shot them.

 

[McBell]

It still fails badly. You need similar situations, stress levels, and the situation needs to be justifiable. The police officer had a valid reason to use a teaser. In your situation, not so much.

it is my thought that it plays out much worse.
Like you said, police arrest people for warrants, outstanding and otherwise, all the time.
Civilians, not so much.
Which means the civilian should have not been in the situation to begin with.

And this does not even address why a civilian would be pulling them over in the first place or how they knew about the outstanding warrant.

So I completely agree, creating a hypothetical by merely replacing the police officer with a civilian fails as an analogy.
At least in this case.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Another examole...

Maybe in their hypothetically scenario they were setting at home and someone was trying to break in his house by coming through his window. He was going to tase them but accidently grabbed his gun and instead shot them.

Easy one. The homeowner would get off Scot free.

 

[McBell]

Another example...

Maybe in their hypothetically scenario they were setting at home and someone was trying to break in his house by coming through his window. He was going to tase them but accidently grabbed his gun and instead shot them.

AGAIN...

Except for the part "Let's play this out with a civilian"

 

[McBell]

Another example...

Maybe in their hypothetically scenario they were setting at home and someone was trying to break in his house by coming through his window. He was going to tase them but accidently grabbed his gun and instead shot them.

Comparing apples to nuclear reactors does not help.

 

[Kooky]

why, as a civilian, are you attempting to arrest someone?

Why would I shoot at people I wanted to arrest in the first place?

 

[McBell]

Why would I shoot at people I wanted to arrest in the first place?

You did not answer the question.
Does this mean you agree that your hypothetical does not apply?

And to answer your non-reply question:
the officer in question did not mean to use their firearm.
They meant to use their tazer.

So once again you are running down a dead end.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I know. But that appears to be bias. To be "negligent homicide" there must be a criminal act of "gross negligence":

Gross Negligence - Definition, Examples, Cases, Processes

I do not see how the actions the officer could qualify as gross negligence. It is not even regular negligence. It was an accident. Perhaps better training would have made this less likely, but that is not the fault of the officer. Officers are undertrained right now largely due to the police departments being underfunded as it is. The "defund" the police movement will only make a bad situation worse.

I guess that would depend if she follows police guidelines and procedures. If not, I see it as negligent. At least from a non lawyer layman's view.

 

[We Never Know]

Easy one. The homeowner would get off Scot free.

Depends.
1. What state it was in.
2. Was the person in the house.
3. Were you in life threatening danger.
4. Did you warn them.
5. Were they outside the window and turned to run and were shot in the back.
6. etc

The courts and lawyers would dipict many things.

 

[We Never Know]

Comparing apples to nuclear reactors does not help.

He asked a question. I tried to answer.
And he never stated he was trying to arrest anyone. He asked if he as a civilian accidently shot another civilian

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

No kidding. Just look at the number of protests that turn into riot's that turn into let's loot the stores then burn them.

Yes, even when it was criminals being killed, such as Mike Brown and now Wright. I have no idea why people riot in the name of criminals. Breonna Taylor, I can understand that because that was objectively a horrible thing but she's eclipsed by criminal black men when it comes to her remembrance. Go figure.

People are really acting like idiots now. There was a shooting at a hospital yesterday and the cops killed the suspect. Just as that was announced, there was already some stupid group going to protest the police for shooting the suspect, when nothing about the shooting (how it started, what exactly happened, the suspect's identity) had been released or was even known. Now people are just protesting the police for anything at all.

As for Wright, I honestly have more sympathy for the cop than for him. She made a mistake and will have to live with it for the rest of her life. He made his bed and had to guess what the consequences would be. Still sad, but that's life.

 

[We Never Know]

AGAIN...

Except for the part "Let's play this out with a civilian"

Yes civilian to civilian No cop involved.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes, even when it was criminals being killed, such as Mike Brown and now Hill. I have no idea why people riot in the name of criminals. Breonna Taylor, I can understand that because that was objectively a horrible thing but she's eclipsed by criminal black men when it comes to her remembrance. Go figure.

People are really acting like idiots now. There was a shooting at a hospital yesterday and the cops killed the suspect. Just as that was announced, there was already some stupid group going to protest the police for shooting the suspect, when nothing about the shooting (how it started, what exactly happened, the suspect's identity) had been released or was even known. Now people are just protesting the police for anything at all.

As for Hill, I honestly have more sympathy for the cop than for him. He made his bed and had to guess what the consequences would be. Still sad, but that's life.

Its sad that many use these shootings to riot, loot and destroy business. They aren't doing anything to help the cause. They are actually harming the cause.

 

[McBell]

He asked a question. I tried to answer.
And he never stated he was trying to arrest anyone. He asked if he as a civilian accidently shot another civilian