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Ohio governor to sign bill allowing armed school employees

Stevicus

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Ohio governor to sign bill allowing armed school employees | AP News

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Ohio school districts could begin arming employees as soon as this fall under legislation approved by Republican lawmakers and set to be signed by GOP Gov. Mike DeWine.

Democrats said the proposal, which is optional for schools, sends the wrong message a week after the massacre of 19 children and two teachers at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas. Republicans say the measure could prevent such shootings. Lawmakers fast-tracked the legislation to counter the impact of a court ruling that said, under current law, armed school workers would need hundreds of hours of training.

The bill will protect children by ensuring instruction is specific to schools and including significant scenario-based training, DeWine said late Wednesday in announcing his support.

The measure is opposed by major law enforcement groups, gun control advocates, and the state’s teachers’ unions, which asked DeWine to veto the measure. It’s supported by a handful of police departments and school districts.
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Under the latest version of the bill, school employees who carry guns would need up to 24 hours of initial training, then up to eight hours of requalification training annually.

DeWine, who is expected to sign the bill later this month, also announced that the state’s construction budget will provide $100 million for school security upgrades in schools and $5 million for upgrades at colleges.
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The article mentions that this bill is opposed by major law enforcement groups, gun control advocates, and state teacher unions, and supported by only a handful of police departments and school districts.

I'm not sure how it would work in practice. I wonder how it would affect school discipline.
 
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More bad, knee jerk ideas from the right.

Next bill will be hiring ex special forces men as cooks. They look like ordinary cooks baking pizza for the kiddos but in fact they are highly trained and ready to take on the bad guys as they take over your local school. One by one the bad guys are eliminated as the kiddos are saved. Now a major motion picture starring Steven Segal.
 
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Even though I think that is the wrong way, I applaud the fact that something is done.
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Yeah, but it's unlikely to help prevent any school violence since the violence starts when a shooter quickly opens fire on targets. Someone is still getting killed even if there is armed school employees. I don't see it as being a decent given all other shooters know the police are on the way. Shooters will be taken into custody or killed, and they don't care.

I fear the intent of this bill is so the right can insist they did something, and now they are ready to move on. It offers no real solution, just a way to buy time so the public forgets the issue of gun safety.
 
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F1fan said:
Yeah, but it's unlikely to help prevent any school violence since the violence starts when a shooter quickly opens fire on targets. Someone is still getting killed even if there is armed school employees. I don't see it as being a decent given all other shooters know the police are on the way. Shooters will be taken into custody or killed, and they don't care.

I fear the intent of this bill is so the right can insist they did something, and now they are ready to move on. It offers no real solution, just a way to buy time so the public forgets the issue of gun safety.
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I agree in all points. But it is a first sign that politicians acknowledge that there is a problem and that there has to be done something.
 
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Heyo said:
I agree in all points. But it is a first sign that politicians acknowledge that there is a problem and that there has to be done something.
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It's an old idea. The right has been pushing this idea for decades. It's not gone anywhere due to it being a stupid idea, and teachers being highly opposed to it. To my mind it's not a genuine effort to help. It's a political act.
 
Twilight Hue

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Stevicus said:
Ohio governor to sign bill allowing armed school employees | AP News





The article mentions that this bill is opposed by major law enforcement groups, gun control advocates, and state teacher unions, and supported by only a handful of police departments and school districts.

I'm not sure how it would work in practice. I wonder how it would affect school discipline.
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I still say if you arm teachers, you might as well mandate all schools be transformed into educational military academies with student uniforms, drill and ceremony, and ranking systems.

Otherwise it's just going to look like a prison with teachers being the guards and students being the prisoners.
 
Twilight Hue

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F1fan said:
More bad, knee jerk ideas from the right.

Next bill will be hiring ex special forces men as cooks. They look like ordinary cooks baking pizza for the kiddos but in fact they are highly trained and ready to take on the bad guys as they take over your local school. One by one the bad guys are eliminated as the kiddos are saved. Now a major motion picture starring Steven Segal.
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You watched that movie with Segal as a special forces turned cook as well. :0]
I just dont remember the title of that film.
 
Suave

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Stevicus said:
Ohio governor to sign bill allowing armed school employees | AP News

The article mentions that this bill is opposed by major law enforcement groups, gun control advocates, and state teacher unions, and supported by only a handful of police departments and school districts.

I'm not sure how it would work in practice. I wonder how it would affect school discipline.
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Mass shootings have recently occurred despite there being armed security in the vicinity, These mass shootings happened shorty after the mass shooters bought their AR-15s to perpetrate their gun massacres, A prohibition of semi-auto weapons manufactured for private retail very well may have prevented these mass shootings. Hopefully, such gun control will be enacted in order to prevent further mass shooting deaths
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

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Heyo said:
I agree in all points. But it is a first sign that politicians acknowledge that there is a problem and that there has to be done something.
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I would have gone for raising the age limit and reduced bullet capacity. Also armed teachers is a good idea with one small critical change.

Arm teachers with BYRMA pistols rather than 9mm Glocks.
 
mikkel_the_dane

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Suave said:
Mass shootings have recently occurred despite there being armed security in the vicinity, These mass shootings happened shorty after the mass shooters bought their AR-15s to perpetrate their gun massacres, A prohibition of semi-auto weapons manufactured for private retail very well may have prevented these mass shootings. Hopefully, such gun control will be enacted in order to prevent further mass shooting deaths
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Again, what is a semi-automatic weapon?
 
Suave

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mikkel_the_dane said:
Again, what is a semi-automatic weapon?
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Per wikipedia, "
A semi-automatic firearm, also called a self-loading or autoloading firearm (fully automatic and selective fire firearms are also variations on self-loading firearms), is a repeating firearm whose action mechanism automatically loads a following round of cartridge into the chamber (self-loading) and prepares it for subsequent firing, but requires the shooter to manually actuate the trigger in order to discharge each shot. Typically, this involves the weapon's action utilizing the excess energy released during the preceding shot (in the form of recoil or high-pressure gas expanding within the bore) to unlock and move the bolt, extracting and ejecting the spent cartridge case from the chamber, re-cocking the firing mechanism, and loading a new cartridge into the firing chamber, all without input from the user. To fire again, however, the user must actively release the trigger, allow it to "reset", before pulling the trigger again to fire off the next round. As a result, each trigger pull only discharges a single round from a semi-automatic weapon, as opposed to a fully automatic weapon, which will shoot continuously as long as the ammunition is replete and the trigger is kept depressed."
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

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mikkel_the_dane said:
Yeah and what is the counter to a BYRMA pistol?
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You would be too busy choking on your own drool and eyes burning raw red that wouldn't require any realistic countermeasures since you likely wouldn't even be able to shoot straight at that point.
 
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