Ohio governor to sign bill allowing armed school employees

[Wildswanderer]

Despite the left's wanting to avoid mental health
issues being a risk factor in shootings, we clearly
see that many of these murderers need help
in that area. Providing such services would be
a toofer, ie, helping those in need, cutting violence.

Caution:
Let no one infer a claim that mentally ill people
are dangerous. I don't believe they generally are.
But there is a small subset that is indeed a threat.

I have a neighbor who has threatened multiple people with a gun... he's certifiably crazy, but for some reason he's not in jail. When he's off his meds he is one scary character. People wonder why I believe in the 2nd amendment... there's people like this who are known to be violent criminals that are regularly released back into society. They are unpredictable.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Neverminding the hilarious conservative bull**** of trying to leverage broken families into a gender role and anti porn and video game diatribe, this isn't a study. It's an op ed by a conservative author.

It also doesn't address what I've already posted. Do you know what is a common trait of single parent families? Poverty, lack of access to quality healthcare and social services.

There's not any one thing that causes mass shootings but broken families and childhood trauma is high on the list.
If you have proof that the others are causes I'd like to see it.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Ohio governor to sign bill allowing armed school employees | AP News





The article mentions that this bill is opposed by major law enforcement groups, gun control advocates, and state teacher unions, and supported by only a handful of police departments and school districts.

I'm not sure how it would work in practice. I wonder how it would affect school discipline.

Asinine! Completely stupid!

 

[Stevicus]

If you're not suggesting that profiling people with mental illness will lead to less gun violence than I don't see the problem. If you are, then I'll repeat that most shooters don't have a mental health illness diagnosis, so profiling won't help, nor does it take a mental health issue to be violent. Mental healthcare is important, but it's important because it doesn't take a mental health illness for people to become abusive. It's a resource everyone should have, not just people who've gotten mental health illness diagnosises.

Regardless of whether or not someone has a confirmed diagnosis, I would say that there should be ready and easy access to some sort of mental health or crisis intervention services, although such services are badly overloaded already. We have suicide hotlines and other numbers for people to call, whether it's drug problems, gambling addiction - things like that. But if someone feels anger at the world and wants to kill someone, who do they call for help? Where do they go? Even if they're not necessarily mentally ill in the clinical sense, they're obviously people who could use some sort of help from somewhere.

I still remember the Loughner case after the Gabrielle Giffords shooting. The reports indicated that he tried to get mental health services through the local community college, but apparently he never followed up or they blew him off or he just fell through the cracks. But after he did the killings, he was examined by multiple psychiatrists. They flew him out to some facility in Missouri, and they examined him, treated him, at least to make sane enough to stand trial, where he pleaded guilty. I found myself thinking, why couldn't they have seen him and treated him before he committed his crime?

 

[Sand Dancer]

Maniacs tend to stop shooting when they are dead... Seems pretty practical to me.

It would be nice if we could find the cause and treat that instead of dealing with the deadly after effects. That would benefit all involved.

 

[Stevicus]

I saw a poll a few days ago that said that 95% of teachers say no way to this.

Then it looks like they might face a teacher shortage or possibly strikes.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Regardless of whether or not someone has a confirmed diagnosis, I would say that there should be ready and easy access to some sort of mental health or crisis intervention services, although such services are badly overloaded already. We have suicide hotlines and other numbers for people to call, whether it's drug problems, gambling addiction - things like that. But if someone feels anger at the world and wants to kill someone, who do they call for help? Where do they go? Even if they're not necessarily mentally ill in the clinical sense, they're obviously people who could use some sort of help from somewhere.

I still remember the Loughner case after the Gabrielle Giffords shooting. The reports indicated that he tried to get mental health services through the local community college, but apparently he never followed up or they blew him off or he just fell through the cracks. But after he did the killings, he was examined by multiple psychiatrists. They flew him out to some facility in Missouri, and they examined him, treated him, at least to make sane enough to stand trial, where he pleaded guilty. I found myself thinking, why couldn't they have seen him and treated him before he committed his crime?

Preventative maintenance keeps corrective maintenance at bay.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Lack of social services? Where's that? Healthcare causes shootings? What? Money causes shootings? Not according to the data. If you want to check root causes check out fatherlessness.

If fatherlessness were a major factor, it would seem that more shooters would be black, since 75% of black children are raised without fathers present. They seem very underrepresented in the ranks of mass shooters. Fatherlessness has its own set of issues, however.

 

[Stevicus]

I still say if you arm teachers, you might as well mandate all schools be transformed into educational military academies with student uniforms, drill and ceremony, and ranking systems.

Otherwise it's just going to look like a prison with teachers being the guards and students being the prisoners.

Yeah, I wondered about that, with armed teachers enforcing the school rules.

 

[Wildswanderer]

If fatherlessness were a major factor, it would seem that more shooters would be black, since 75% of black children are raised without fathers present. They seem very underrepresented in the ranks of mass shooters. Fatherlessness has its own set of issues, however.

White people can't suffer from family issues too?
And in the black community you can bet a lot of gang members have no father present.

 

[Wildswanderer]

It would be nice if we could find the cause and treat that instead of dealing with the deadly after effects. That would benefit all involved.

Perhaps if there was close to zero body count because the perps dies first in every attempt it would discourage copy cats. That would benefit everyone.

 

[Sand Dancer]

White people can't suffer from family issues too?
And in the black community you can bet a lot of gang members have no father present.

Yes, but the odds seem tilted toward Caucasians in the case of mass shootings and they are less likely to have no father present than in black families. Yes, gang activity is over represented in black communities.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Perhaps if there was close to zero body count because the perps dies first in every attempt it would discourage copy cats. That would benefit everyone.

Sure it would, but again, it would be more practical to nip it in the bud by treating the causes than just cleaning up the bodies after yet another shooting. I don't think the support is there to arm teachers. Security guards get support.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Sure it would, but again, it would be more practical to nip it in the bud by treating the causes than just cleaning up the bodies after yet another shooting. I don't think the support is there to arm teachers. Security guards get support.

I like the idea of security guards better myself. Yes of course we need to address the causes but that's going to take time...right now we need to deal with security.

 

[Heyo]

I like the idea of security guards better myself. Yes of course we need to address the causes but that's going to take time...right now we need to deal with security.

I like the idea of stricter gun regulations. It works very fast, doesn't cost much, is popular and can be implemented in a few month. The only thing standing in the way is the greed of the ...
wait, that's it, isn't it? Greed is a holy cow you can't touch.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I like the idea of stricter gun regulations. It works very fast, doesn't cost much, is popular and can be implemented in a few month. The only thing standing in the way is the greed of the ...
wait, that's it, isn't it? Greed is a holy cow you can't touch.

Fast? More gun laws won't eliminate guns, or stop criminals from using them. Most places where people are being shot already are gun free zones in theory.

 

[metis]

Then it looks like they might face a teacher shortage or possibly strikes.

Here in Michigan, we already have a teacher shortage, and it's my understanding that this is common in some other states as well.

 

[fantome profane]

I have a neighbor who has threatened multiple people with a gun... he's certifiably crazy, but for some reason he's not in jail. When he's off his meds he is one scary character. People wonder why I believe in the 2nd amendment... there's people like this who are known to be violent criminals that are regularly released back into society. They are unpredictable.

And yet a perfect argument as to why some people should not be able to get a gun.

Wouldn’t you feel a little better if is guy got red flagged?

 

[fantome profane]

White people can't suffer from family issues too?
And in the black community you can bet a lot of gang members have no father present.

Whoa dude! I hope you realize you just showed us your hold card.

 

[Wildswanderer]

And yet a perfect argument as to why some people should not be able to get a gun.

Wouldn’t you feel a little better if is guy got red flagged?

He's already been flagged. He was institutionalized and now is back out.