Ohio governor to sign bill allowing armed school employees

[Ponder This]

Ohio governor to sign bill allowing armed school employees | AP News





The article mentions that this bill is opposed by major law enforcement groups, gun control advocates, and state teacher unions, and supported by only a handful of police departments and school districts.

I'm not sure how it would work in practice. I wonder how it would affect school discipline.

It seems to me that it sends the message that mass shooters in Ohio are going to be quickly shot, which would be an appropriate deterrence, don't you think? The article is scarce on details. It doesn't say what major law enforcement groups (if any) oppose the bill, nor does why say why they would oppose it. Leaving out such an important detail is sus.

 

[Heyo]

You would be too busy choking on your own drool and eyes burning raw red that wouldn't require any realistic countermeasures since you likely wouldn't even be able to shoot straight at that point.

And in a closed room you don't even have to hit the target, somewhere in the vicinity works just fine.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You would be too busy choking on your own drool and eyes burning raw red that wouldn't require any realistic countermeasures since you likely wouldn't even be able to shoot straight at that point.

So a gas-mask with the correct filter would do it. Start thinking, before you claim a solution.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So a gas-mask with the correct filter would do it. Start thinking, before you claim a solution.

Well I'm sure a mandated gas mask ban would suffice. Right? Yea?

Ever try to shoot a weapon accurately with a gas mask on? With adrenaline pumping as well? Sweating to boot?

I did. And with an M16 as well. Not the easiest thing to do. Things get foggy in a gas environment, moving erratic, limited vision. mask shifting with sweat. Gas leaks in if seal breaks....... eyes starts burning. Even a little.

Think before thinking you have a countermeasure in the bag.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well I'm sure a mandated gas mask ban would suffice. Right?

OK. Tasers then.

They are too short range in some cases and you can wear clothes that counters them.

 

[Twilight Hue]

They are too short range in some cases and you can wear clothes that counters them.

OK back to the former post then. With an edit to further expand on the so called 'countermeasures' involving a BYRMA sidearm.


Ohio governor to sign bill allowing armed school employees

 

[Twilight Hue]

And in a closed room you don't even have to hit the target, somewhere in the vicinity works just fine.

That gas will definitely be noticeable.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Just for the hell of it.

How about a tear/ smoke gas sprinkler system installed in schools? Try shooting in a thick smoked environment.

Crazy. No?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Just for the hell of it.

How about a tear/ smoke gas sprinkler system installed in schools? Try shooting in a thick smoked environment.

Crazy. No?

Yeah, do the following. Attack with a gun and a fire bomb. Get the system activated and use the firebomb or even better a large one as a car bomb with fire effect. Shoots as many as they exit and let the rest die inside as they get caught in the fire and tear/smoke gas.
Could you start thinking in counter points and not just post the first that goes through your mind?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yeah, do the following. Attack with a gun and a fire bomb. Get the system activated and use the firebomb or even better a large one as a car bomb with fire effect. Shoots as many as they exit and let the rest die inside as they get caught in the fire and tear/smoke gas.
Could you start thinking in counter points and not just post the first that goes through your mind?

Now you are getting to the gist of the issue.


*There is no true and effective solution that will prevent any tragic event from happening.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ohio governor to sign bill allowing armed school employees | AP News

Excerpted....
Democrats said the proposal, which is optional for schools, sends the wrong message a week after the massacre of 19 children and two teachers at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas.

Yes, the most important thing is to ensure that there's
no armed defense in gun free zones that are neither
secure nor protected by cops willing to defend others.
Some might get shot...like a mass murderer....sooner.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Now you are getting to the gist of the issue.


*There is no true and effective solution that will prevent any tragic event from happening.

*There is no true and effective solution that will prevent any tragic event from happening.

No, but we are dealing in probabilities for a host of factors. So no single factor will do the trick, but a host of them should lessen the probability.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Maniacs tend to stop shooting when they are dead... Seems pretty practical to me.

Anyone who thinks making crossfire situations in crowded school halls during the opening of panicked gunfire is 'practical' maybe needs to sit down and think about things a little longer. Maybe also note that several of the mass shootings recently also involved the killer wearing body armor, which small arms these bills talk about would bounce harmlessly off.

You know what's far more practical? Prevention instead of reaction.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would have gone for raising the age limit and reduced bullet capacity. Also armed teachers is a good idea with one small critical change.

Arm teachers with BYRMA pistols rather than 9mm Glocks.

Do you mean....
Byrna | Best Non Lethal Self-Defense Products
Those have potential, especially for individuals
with less skill. I could consider carrying that
instead of my Glock #22...given that I'm in a
low risk environment.

 

[Revoltingest]

Just for the hell of it.

How about a tear/ smoke gas sprinkler system installed in schools? Try shooting in a thick smoked environment.

Crazy. No?

Ya know those kids who set off fire alarms for fun?
They'd have a whole new level of prankington.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Anyone who thinks making crossfire situations in crowded school halls during the opening of panicked gunfire is 'practical' maybe needs to sit down and think about things a little longer. Maybe also note that several of the mass shootings recently also involved the killer wearing body armor, which small arms these bills talk about would bounce harmlessly off.

You know what's far more practical? Prevention instead of reaction.

Prevention? You mean like putting the crazy people back in institutions? Ok that too.
Having armed people already in schools to stop shootings is prevention.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you mean....
Byrna | Best Non Lethal Self-Defense Products
Those have potential, especially for individuals
with less skill. I could consider carrying that
instead of my Glock #22...given that I'm in a
low risk environment.

Dang m key....... in the way ......big fingers..... grr.......

 

[Revoltingest]

Pulling trigger to shoot without involving a secondary action, such as bolt or lever.

Not quite. It's more about after firing one round,
the hammer or striker is cocked for the next.
(There are some complexities, particularly with
Glock.)
A double action revolver acts with only pulling
the trigger, but it's not considered "semi auto"
because pulling the trigger cocks the hammer
(not cycling the prior round).

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Prevention? You mean like putting the crazy people back in institutions? Ok that too.
Having armed people already in schools to stop shootings is prevention.

Yes, but that requires actual training and not just having a gun.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You know what's far more practical? Prevention instead of reaction.

Reminds me of the quip...

Prevention is the key, the rest is up to me.