Ohio governor to sign bill allowing armed school employees

[Wildswanderer]

Whoa dude! I hope you realize you just showed us your hold card.

Whatever that means.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

The problem with arming teachers as a solution is it ignores the bigger problem: the safety of kids in school. It ignores the kids for the desires of the adults who don't want sensible gun regulation.

What is the expectation of an armed teacher response? A kid hauls a rifle out and immediately a teacher fast draws their gun, shoots the kid, and all is well?

I've done ALICE training as a teacher, which recreates (as best it can) an active shooting situation. As we were listening to the instructors giving instructions, someone began firing blanks and shooting at us with semi-automatic Nerf gun. Pretty effective in showing us how quickly and efficiently a gunman can get some good shots in before anyone can respond. And in a crowded hallway or classroom where kids and adults are likely to panic? Can you imagine what some armed teachers are going to do in that situation?

And what will the response be when some stressed out teacher gets so frazzled by behaviors and threatens kids with the gun? Or worse?

What will happen when some kid pulls out a toy gun or something that looks like a gun and a teacher fires?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The problem with arming teachers as a solution is it ignores the bigger problem: the safety of kids in school. It ignores the kids for the desires of the adults who don't want sensible gun regulation.

What is the expectation of an armed teacher response? A kid hauls a rifle out and immediately a teacher fast draws their gun, shoots the kid, and all is well?

I've done ALICE training as a teacher, which recreates (as best it can) an active shooting situation. As we were listening to the instructors giving instructions, someone began firing blanks and shooting at us with semi-automatic Nerf gun. Pretty effective in showing us how quickly and efficiently a gunman can get some good shots in before anyone can respond. And in a crowded hallway or classroom where kids and adults are likely to panic? Can you imagine what some armed teachers are going to do in that situation?

And what will the response be when some stressed out teacher gets so frazzled by behaviors and threatens kids with the gun? Or worse?

What will happen when some kid pulls out a toy gun or something that looks like a gun and a teacher fires?

Well, if you want all teachers in a school to be able to handle all reasonable possible shooter scenarios you have to train them as semi special forces in effect. I would guess a years worth of training for each person. And then you will find that not all of them can do that or handle having a gun at all.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Well, if you want all teachers in a school to be able to handle all reasonable possible shooter scenarios you have to train them as semi special forces in effect. I would guess a years worth of training for each person. And then you will find that not all of them can do that or handle having a gun at all.

Exactly! And that's on top of the crazy amount of responsibilities and training already put on teachers.

If we are willing to put down funding for this, why not fund schools in productive ways like more staff and more health services on campuses?

Note: That's not saying we need more health services on campus in order to blame mental health as the problem with school violence, but health services in many schools are extremely lacking, and in a country suffering from the impacts of various traumas, including generational poverty, this could go a long way to helping folks getting help and support before they break. This should include staff and support within communities outside campus.

 

[Heyo]

Not about teachers with guns but armed police in schools and with some numbers: