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OK. Heres the IQ thread. Drum Roll for Donald Trump...
- Thread starter Twilight Hue
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I sensed that from your very intelligent looking avatar!Well, mine is 241.
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John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams, Martin Van Buren, Millard Fillmore, Grover Cleveland, William Howard Taft, Woodrow Wilson, Warren G. Harding, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover and Franklin D. Roosevelt.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/03/us/hail-to-chiefs-without-military-pasts.html
Had no military service.
That's why a smart Commander in Chief hires darned good, experienced, advisers.
That said I favor a president with military service.
Just a personal quirk but not a decisive factor.
During the Civil War , Pres. Cleveland was drafted but instead of leaving his law practice, he bought his way out by paying $150 to a substitute, a perfectly legal option under the Conscription Act of 1863.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/03/us/hail-to-chiefs-without-military-pasts.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/03/us/hail-to-chiefs-without-military-pasts.html
Had no military service.
That's why a smart Commander in Chief hires darned good, experienced, advisers.
That said I favor a president with military service.
Just a personal quirk but not a decisive factor.
During the Civil War , Pres. Cleveland was drafted but instead of leaving his law practice, he bought his way out by paying $150 to a substitute, a perfectly legal option under the Conscription Act of 1863.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/03/us/hail-to-chiefs-without-military-pasts.html
If I were guessing, I would put him two more standard deviations to the right and possibly more. He deals in some complex business deals and does some fancy figuring in his head I'm sure.Absolutely true. H o w e v e r . . . . . . I believe the leader of the nation should have an IQ at least higher than that of half the country: 100. Personally, considering Trump's delicate ego I don't think he'd risk finding out he's no more than normal by taking an IQ test. I firmly believe he never took an IQ test, and, like so many of his pronouncements, is simply lying about it. However, to be generous I'd put him in the first standard deviation above the mean.
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When I was a kid, I was so bright that my father called me sunny.I'm a good cook. Does that count?
I also fish, hunt, and shoot, that makes me really bright!
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Hehe. What most would roll over laughing at is the fact that George W. Bush is probably smarter than all but a couple on RF.
Given how brilliant we hear Obama is, smarts does play into the popular mystique, but the best quality is how good a leader the candidate is, not how well they chair a meeting, but how they stack up as a proven leader. (Hillary fails miserably in this department.)
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VioletVortex
Well-Known Member
I think anyone who wants to run for a political office should be required to take an IQ test and score at least 120.
I do think that the IQ testing system needs vast improvement though...
I do think that the IQ testing system needs vast improvement though...
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Whats even more important than a mere IQ, is Emotional Intelligence.
Skwim
Veteran Member
PeteC-UK
Active Member
Hi Folks..
Surely - anyone who runs for a public office and makes it up to the top tiers such as Presidential candidates - are ALREADY more than capable and obviously so - or else they would never have managed to progress that far to begin with...or are we thinking the general masses are fools who vote for idiots..?...
By the time such a candidate reaches that top position, they have already proved they are way way smarter than the general public by virtue of the fact that said candidate has PERSUADED and INFLUENCED the general public ALREADY to vote them INTO their candidate position.....Think about it Folks...
They have ALREADY LED YOU and MANIPULATED you to vote for them - so there is no need to question their capability to do so now - you are already uinder their influences and didnt even realise it THAT is how smart they are...lol.....you dont need numbers and charts to see that...
Surely - anyone who runs for a public office and makes it up to the top tiers such as Presidential candidates - are ALREADY more than capable and obviously so - or else they would never have managed to progress that far to begin with...or are we thinking the general masses are fools who vote for idiots..?...
By the time such a candidate reaches that top position, they have already proved they are way way smarter than the general public by virtue of the fact that said candidate has PERSUADED and INFLUENCED the general public ALREADY to vote them INTO their candidate position.....Think about it Folks...
They have ALREADY LED YOU and MANIPULATED you to vote for them - so there is no need to question their capability to do so now - you are already uinder their influences and didnt even realise it THAT is how smart they are...lol.....you dont need numbers and charts to see that...
Being a charismatic sociopath who can charm the pants off someone is not a sign of a high IQ. To me it means they probably do not have one because they have to rely on the wiles of con men rather than the merit of their ideas to persuade others. That shows someone who doesn't know how to use whatever intelligence they may have as their primary ally.
Someone being hoodwinked by a con man simply means the con man had no moral standard where they exploited others trust. Someone extending trust to another is NOT a sign of having a lower IQ. Someone exploiting that trust for personal gain is a sign of a personality or behavioral issue, or in the case of Trump far deeper, a likely sociopath. And I'd argue IQ has nothing to do with that. You have extremely smart sociopaths, and extremely dumb ones - like Trump. One need only listen to how he forms his thoughts to see he needs to rely on his "charm", because IQ is most definitely not sailing too high with him.
A sociopath is at best "smart enough" to know how to get by lying and cheating. What defines the sociopath is simply a skill in avoiding getting caught, and when and if they do get caught the conclusion is they didn't lie good enough. If you want to call that a "high IQ", I think that's not a great standard measure of intelligence. Most definitely not the kind of "intelligence" you want leading a nation.
No! Getting others to trust you through skillfully lying to them is NOT leadership qualities! It's self-serving, not leading others. It's misleading others. Misleading others is a sign of a bad leader. It's not leading others at all. Period.
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I actually use that one.....
Oppose any candidate who votes to start a war.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
I think they are 100% accurate. I was tested at 139. Clearly that is spot on.
But, in all seriousness, I was always a good test taker. I know plenty of people who scored lower but did better in school, college and life. Depressing but true.
Underhill
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I want to be tested under circumstances that don't include social/emotional knowledge. But since it is a part of the diagnostics for Aspergers, I've only ever had testing that has that part to drag my overall score down, as it's not even 100. Everything else is up there though.
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
His hands are below average from his size... just sayin'