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OK. Heres the IQ thread. Drum Roll for Donald Trump...

4consideration

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Premium Member
Correct, that's what Trump was referring to. The military isn't weaker under the Obama admin. They're making it up.
In looking at Trump speeches for another thread, I came across this comment at 33:50 -- 34:52. In this one he asserts the military can't be beat.

 

tytlyf

Not Religious
I think a good case can be made that we've become weaker (without
actually being weaker yet) relative to our looming foes, ie, Russia & China.
The latter in particular has made great strides against us.
But I don't see this change as an "Obama" issue.
And it is being addressed.'
Well enuf?
I say no.
I'd give more attention to hardening domestic infrastructure, utilities, & other strategic necessities.
We're weaker against Russia, China and Iran is what you're saying? Got an example? RW media likes to tell it's audience that Obama is always out and about around the world apologizing for America, is that what you mean? I don't hear Obama apologizing
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
We're weaker against Russia, China and Iran is what you're saying?
I didn't address Iran.
And the way you phrased it is ambiguous.
My post was clearer about relative weakness changing over time.
Got an example?
China is developing in several areas.....
- Cyberwarfare
- Naval capability, eg, carriers
- Space warfare
Russia too....
- Supercavitating torpedoes (China too)
- Ultra quiet submarines
The above is not a comprehensive list.
RW media likes to tell it's audience that Obama is always out and about around the world apologizing for America, is that what you mean? I don't hear Obama apologizing
I'm not addressing whether he's doing this or not.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
I didn't address Iran.
And the way you phrased it is ambiguous.
My post was clearer about relative weakness changing over time.

China is developing in several areas.....
- Cyberwarfare
- Naval capability, eg, carriers
- Space warfare
Russia too....
- Supercavitating torpedoes (China too)
- Ultra quiet submarines
The above is not a comprehensive list.

I'm not addressing whether he's doing this or not.
We're doing the same thing, just smarter. I'd like to see certain outdated things in the military cut and focus that money on space technologies.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
We're doing the same thing, just smarter. I'd like to see certain outdated things in the military cut and focus that money on space technologies.
Doing the same thing does not mean that we're maintaining a constant level of superiority.
The difference is changing, & we become relatively weaker because they become relatively stronger.
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
Doing the same thing does not mean that we're maintaining a constant level of superiority.
The difference is changing, & we become relatively weaker because they become relatively stronger.
This is inevitable. The rate of information transfer makes 1950s and 60s military spy activity look like a snail on the O'Hare tarmac. They outnumber us 4:1. They ingrain education as an ideal, while we still laugh when jocks give nerds a wedgie. They praise and pay highly for intellectuals, while we pay for steroid abusing jocks to entertain us. They acknowledge the reality of climate change and other sciences, and react accordingly. Trump thinks the Chinese made up the "myth" of Climate change.

Bottom line, they SPEND on infrastructure, while Republicans since Reagan have considered it a waste of money. Trump wants more trickle-down, because 40 years of poor teacher salaries, crappy harbors and airports, rusting bridges and potholed roads, and nearly non-existant railways are utterly ignored by republicans (or tenaciously fought against).
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/03/25/478B-Infrastructure-Bill-Blocked-Senate-GOP
While those "economically foolish" Democrats want to equalize taxes on the rich to the rates paid by the middle class and get on track again.

20141205_Concrete_FO.jpg


The ONLY way to "win" is funding (taxing for) massive infrastructure improvements. But Trump would see us to 16th century aristocracy.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Bottom line, they SPEND on infrastructure, while Republicans since Reagan have considered it a waste of money. Trump wants more trickle-down, because 40 years of poor teacher salaries, crappy harbors and airports, rusting bridges and potholed roads, and nearly non-existant railways are utterly ignored by republicans (or tenaciously fought against).
The fact we don't have bullet trains or other high speed trains yet says a lot about us, and is very shameful. Of course it would cost money, but it would open up many doors for many people if they had a cheaper and faster way to get around the country.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
This is inevitable. The rate of information transfer makes 1950s and 60s military spy activity look like a snail on the O'Hare tarmac. They outnumber us 4:1. They ingrain education as an ideal, while we still laugh when jocks give nerds a wedgie. They praise and pay highly for intellectuals, while we pay for steroid abusing jocks to entertain us. They acknowledge the reality of climate change and other sciences, and react accordingly. Trump thinks the Chinese made up the "myth" of Climate change.

Bottom line, they SPEND on infrastructure, while Republicans since Reagan have considered it a waste of money. Trump wants more trickle-down, because 40 years of poor teacher salaries, crappy harbors and airports, rusting bridges and potholed roads, and nearly non-existant railways are utterly ignored by republicans (or tenaciously fought against).
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/03/25/478B-Infrastructure-Bill-Blocked-Senate-GOP
While those "economically foolish" Democrats want to equalize taxes on the rich to the rates paid by the middle class and get on track again.

20141205_Concrete_FO.jpg


The ONLY way to "win" is funding (taxing for) massive infrastructure improvements. But Trump would see us to 16th century aristocracy.
Bashing Reagan isn't going to help us in the upcoming election.
Trump actually wants to spend more on infrastructure than does Hillary.
The fact we don't have bullet trains or other high speed trains yet says a lot about us, and is very shameful. Of course it would cost money, but it would open up many doors for many people if they had a cheaper and faster way to get around the country.
Bullet trains are very sexy, but they aren't necessarily worth having.
They're very expensive, & the same money might be better spent on
ordinary mass transportation measures.
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
Can you clarify what you mean, please? There have been presidents who have suffered from depression.
Well, as far as dementia/senility, I think that we could rule out just about anyone over the age of 70. But that would be ageism. So give them a mental status exam, it checks for short term memory loss and a few other items. If they are perfect, then they can move on. (keep in mind that it is very rare for anyone over 70 to get 100%, and that is why I made the anti-aged remark :shrug: )
Otherwise, symptomatic schizophrenia, daily life effecting narcissism (hmmmm...), prior attempt at suicide...... anything that would endanger him/herself or those around. Anything that could make them perceive a nonexistent world. That level of difficulty.


Bashing Reagan isn't going to help us in the upcoming election.
Trump actually wants to spend more on infrastructure than does Hillary.
He wants many things, he states that he will do many things; better than anyone else could, believe me. ....but he seems to have very little idea on how to make them happen. Reagan did it, but TRIPLED our debt. (sorry for another easy Reagan dig).
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37013670
..."According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, Mr Trump's plan would reduce the amount of income the government takes in by $9.5tn over the next decade. Mrs Clinton's plan would add $1.1tn in revenue over the next 10 years....."

PS - I'm not bashing Reagan. Just his inane policies, along with any who would doom us to relive them.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well, as far as dementia/senility, I think that we could rule out just about anyone over the age of 70. But that would be ageism. So give them a mental status exam, it checks for short term memory loss and a few other items. If they are perfect, then they can move on. (keep in mind that it is very rare for anyone over 70 to get 100%, and that is why I made the anti-aged remark :shrug: )
Otherwise, symptomatic schizophrenia, daily life effecting narcissism (hmmmm...), prior attempt at suicide...... anything that would endanger him/herself or those around. Anything that could make them perceive a nonexistent world. That level of difficulty.


He wants many things, he states that he will do many things; better than anyone else could, believe me. ....but he seems to have very little idea on how to make them happen. Reagan did it, but TRIPLED our debt. (sorry for another easy Reagan dig).
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37013670
..."According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, Mr Trump's plan would reduce the amount of income the government takes in by $9.5tn over the next decade. Mrs Clinton's plan would add $1.1tn in revenue over the next 10 years....."

PS - I'm not bashing Reagan. Just his inane policies, along with any who would doom us to relive them.
With a choice of a candidate who wants to do more good things (& might fail),
vs a candidate who wants to do more bad things (& might succeed), I'll take
the former. I don't factor in age.
 
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