Then to be fair & balanced, Hilda should show us hers!
Oh, don't look so annoyed.
When you posted that, you knew this would happen.
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OK. Heres the IQ thread. Drum Roll for Donald Trump...
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Oh, don't look so annoyed.
When you posted that, you knew this would happen.
Oh, come on...Bill was very transparent that way. Half the women in the U.S. have already seen it.
The only way it's likely to disappear is if there's a federal investigation of it.
PeteC-UK
Active Member
Hi Folks..
Windwalker;
Ah but - I said they are CAPABLE of leading you - regardless of IQ or anything else, they already proved they DO influence you, DO lead you already, even if you are unaware that is what they did
And of course these people are individually intelligent - or else they would not have the confidence to place themselves in that public position where other similar intelligent people are going to constantly challenge them....And again we see they are indeed intelligent as we place them in direct face ot face confrontation where they can only rely on their own wits and memory...Thats HOW we judge them isnt it..??..
Now you mention sociopaths and con men - and thats really what Im getting at - they are ALL LIKE THAT - every last one of them - and the fact we keep giving such people our personal authority is the greatest problem here...Polotics is wholly - INSIDIOUS - we should just speak openly straight face to face - forget all that chicanery malarky and all that "politically correct nonesense" - tell it as it REALLY is always....
Its not so much about the IQ alone - far more about the ability to LEAD you - even when you dont realise you ARE being led And if a con man - or group of con men - REPEATEDLY hoodwink you and get away with it - as government does - then yes indeed - that says more about the capability and self awareness of the people in general, than it does about the con men.....If you KNOW they are con men then why even have anything to do with their schemes at all.?...
lol - EXACTLY MY POINT !!! They are ALL exactly the same in this regard....if you (all) keep giving them the power then who to blame really..???....They are obviously smarte r than most of you - as they are indeed out smarting you time and time again - lying - manipulating - and getting away wioth it so you keep voting them back in...Look - faces may change - but the core deciept and manipulation NEVER CHANGES - the people put out front are PUPPETS - and you have been led around in circles even without realising it...So as I say - by the time these puppets are put up in front of you to vote for ,its ALREADY too late - they have already outsmarted you and placed you with the only choices THEY want you to have - and already you are powerless to stop their antics...See..??....
Only thing to do really is quit with the political BS altogether - have straight talking discussions out in the open always.....I guarantee though NONE of your "leaders" would ever do that though - so best just dont let them lead at all eh..?...They are ALL as bad as each other - dont be fooled.....They manipulate you (all) always and most of the time we dont even realise it at all...
Windwalker;
Ah but - I said they are CAPABLE of leading you - regardless of IQ or anything else, they already proved they DO influence you, DO lead you already, even if you are unaware that is what they did
And of course these people are individually intelligent - or else they would not have the confidence to place themselves in that public position where other similar intelligent people are going to constantly challenge them....And again we see they are indeed intelligent as we place them in direct face ot face confrontation where they can only rely on their own wits and memory...Thats HOW we judge them isnt it..??..
Now you mention sociopaths and con men - and thats really what Im getting at - they are ALL LIKE THAT - every last one of them - and the fact we keep giving such people our personal authority is the greatest problem here...Polotics is wholly - INSIDIOUS - we should just speak openly straight face to face - forget all that chicanery malarky and all that "politically correct nonesense" - tell it as it REALLY is always....
Its not so much about the IQ alone - far more about the ability to LEAD you - even when you dont realise you ARE being led
And if a con man - or group of con men - REPEATEDLY hoodwink you and get away with it - as government does - then yes indeed - that says more about the capability and self awareness of the people in general, than it does about the con men.....If you KNOW they are con men then why even have anything to do with their schemes at all.?...lol - EXACTLY MY POINT !!! They are ALL exactly the same in this regard....if you (all) keep giving them the power then who to blame really..???....They are obviously smarte r than most of you - as they are indeed out smarting you time and time again - lying - manipulating - and getting away wioth it so you keep voting them back in...Look - faces may change - but the core deciept and manipulation NEVER CHANGES - the people put out front are PUPPETS - and you have been led around in circles even without realising it...So as I say - by the time these puppets are put up in front of you to vote for ,its ALREADY too late - they have already outsmarted you and placed you with the only choices THEY want you to have - and already you are powerless to stop their antics...See..??....
Only thing to do really is quit with the political BS altogether - have straight talking discussions out in the open always.....I guarantee though NONE of your "leaders" would ever do that though - so best just dont let them lead at all eh..?...They are ALL as bad as each other - dont be fooled.....They manipulate you (all) always and most of the time we dont even realise it at all...
Was that wrong of me?
Anyway, I don't want to see either of their private stuffs. I do think governmental information should not be kept as though privately owned.
Regarding the OP, I think IQ is often given far more weight than it should. I would not support it being any sort of requirement.
at 1:53
"And this isn't a partisan thing. I promise you that if Hillary Clinton said 'I have an enormous penis' we would all want to see proof of that outrageous claim".
This isn't about I.Q. or penis size, it is about honesty. Donald has said "I have a very good brain". I think that is a lie. He has said "Iknow words, I have the best words". I think that is a lie. He has said that he has several billion dollars. And I think that is a lie. He has said there is no problem with his penis.
Ok, yes. To mislead someone is leading them, nonetheless. The difference really is a matter of good leadership versus bad leadership. They're not good leaders. So in reality, they aren't capable of leading us, because we are looking for good leader, not those who mislead.Ah but - I said they are CAPABLE of leading you - regardless of IQ or anything else, they already proved they DO influence you, DO lead you already, even if you are unaware that is what they did
I guess maybe it's a matter of them being "smart enough" to mislead. The fact that Donald Trump can mislead as many as he does, to me indicates the average intelligence has dropped and that bar is considerably lower (if not intelligence, certainly education). Watching him is like watching an 8 year old BS'ing 5 year olds on the school playground. He's simply not that smart, relatively speaking. In fact, he's actually dumb compared to other 8 year olds. He's just more aggressive personality-wise, not intelligence-wise.
Then again, that perception could be skewed because of the number of yahoos crawling out of the woodwork who were never involved politically previously finding a voice to champion their ill-educated ignorance. Finally, one of their own! "Speak it, preach it, round up them damned Muslims and send them all back!!", sort of lower-end of the spectrum intelligence.
I wouldn't be quite that cynical - not that your position is not entirely undeserved. There are some genuine folks in politics who sincerely want to make a difference. But I think they are more like fish streaming against the currents. How well they do and how effective they are, or how long they last is another question. But like anything that offers positions of power and money, it will generally attract those who seek that to itself. That's why the genuine ones seek to fix the system, so it doesn't make so attractive to true, sociopathic narcissists like Trump. It's the system first that's the problem. That someone like Trump could be where he is is a clear sign how broken it really is!
Underhill
Well-Known Member
Good points all.
I still don't want Trump whipping it out on Meet the Press...
The sacrifices we make for democracy. Freedom isn't free.
More that it was wrong of Bill that we should know too much.
I don't need to know anyone's IQ.
If honesty is that important, wouldn't that knock Hilda out of the race?
Me neither. I find that when the subject is brought up by a person about their own IQ it usually seems to be a person trying to create an impression of them being better than someone else -- and I usually side with the someone else.
I find her much more honest than Trump. Hillary lies for political reasons. Trump lies pathologically.
One reason is better than the other?
No....it's about what they effect, not what they say about it.
A vote for Hilda is a vote for big government & more war.
Honesty & dishonesty of the perpetrators is irrelevant.
Yes, absolutely motives matter. But the other point is that Trump lies so much more than Hillary.
And remember when you talk about the war in Iraq, you went to war in Iraq because you were lied to by the Bush administration. Hillary was lied to by the Bush administration. Pence was lied to by the Bush administration. Honesty matters.
And Trump really is for big government too.
Her Iraq war was only the tip of her hawkish iceberg.
Note also that she voted to continue funding for the wars well after the premises evaporated.
If you're trying to argue that she's not a hawk, it's not working.
But Donald is indeed a big government type, but not relative to Hilda.
I am arguing that honesty matters, and relative to Trump Hillary is very honest.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Mine's a purple unicorn eating strawberries.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Me neither. I find that when the subject is brought up by a person about their own IQ it usually seems to be a person trying to create an impression of them being better than someone else -- and I usually side with the someone else.
I find that most people who bring up their own IQ score don't seem to have any idea of what IQ actually measures, or, at least, they certainly don't display what IQ tests actually measure.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
They aren't really 100% accurate as it depends on what areas are being measured, the person doing it, and how much you know of the subjects being asked. Such as, an engineer may not be too keen on the English usage or history parts, but someone with a Ph.D. in the humanities may not do so well at the visualization and math parts, but both the engineer and Ph.D. are generally considered to be intelligent people, just intelligent in different areas. People with Asperger's generally tend to score lower on the emotional part, and much higher in the other parts.