KHPR
Social Meritocratist
Oh you so walked into that...
What can I say, I'm good.
Xeper,
Magister Robert Adams
Host, KHPR: The Voice of Darkness
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Oh you so walked into that...
What can I say, I'm good.
Xeper,
Magister Robert Adams
Host, KHPR: The Voice of Darkness
KHPR
Social Meritocratist
Suga,
The C9 are not con men and they do not sell occult trinkets. You can comment about us when you've spend some time inside our doors other than looking in from the outside.
Xeper,
Magister Robert Adams
Host, KHPR: The Voice of Darkness
...Wow...just tried posting in the debate thread. Paul Revere on the loose?
ktf
Member
KHPR,
This is mildly entertaining. However, I am genuienly interested in your responses to my post in the debate thread (and there is a new one now by the way). The anecdote about RKB does raise the question of the qualification and standards for recognition in the ToS (a point brilliantly addressed in Dr. Flowers' "Contra Templum") and the qualification of the recognizers. This seems to be a reaccuring phenomenon at the highest levels...there have been what, 2 Magus recognitions, a few IV* recognitions, and at least one High Priest appointment that seem to have been huge mistakes (or examples of politics and nepotism). But these are all points you could attempt to answer in the debate thread.
This is mildly entertaining. However, I am genuienly interested in your responses to my post in the debate thread (and there is a new one now by the way). The anecdote about RKB does raise the question of the qualification and standards for recognition in the ToS (a point brilliantly addressed in Dr. Flowers' "Contra Templum") and the qualification of the recognizers. This seems to be a reaccuring phenomenon at the highest levels...there have been what, 2 Magus recognitions, a few IV* recognitions, and at least one High Priest appointment that seem to have been huge mistakes (or examples of politics and nepotism). But these are all points you could attempt to answer in the debate thread.
SugaCubez352
Member
Good question.
How did Zeena LaVey and RKB - whom Robert Adams admits to being a con - pass that bar anyways? Yet someone with a minor record with the law who may have done something 10 years ago can't even qualify to be a "Setian" of the Temple?
Valor
Active Member
VulC'mon now... We have a debate thread and it's frozen? Sireal...you've got to stop telling. Seriously...lol... there was a time i respected you and held you high and articulate, I looked up to you for your standings and was honored by your intelligent contributions...but now i've come to know you in a different light. And i wish i never had. It's truly sad. Your running to the Mods... even in a debate thread?
If your not going to post in it, then stay away all together. Your not in court, so stop pointing. There is no room for tattle'tales and finks in a debate forum. stop trying to squeeze in and contour something your not contribute to. This is pathetic...
If your not going to post in it, then stay away all together. Your not in court, so stop pointing. There is no room for tattle'tales and finks in a debate forum. stop trying to squeeze in and contour something your not contribute to. This is pathetic...
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Valor
Active Member
Ahhh..yes. I'm also curious why the Temple doesn't recognize Xeper outside the Walls? I'm curious to know why there was a time when your high priest was hooked on meth, but since he was never prosecuted for the fellony, it doesnt effect his standing within the ToS? However, i make out with a girl for 2 minutes, ten years ago, and i'm immediately turned away? But if it was a drug charge, as Mr. Adams said, then i'm sure affiliation would be in hand?
Don't get me wrong...i'm extremely glad that i learned this prior and never was affiliated.
I'm sure that the Temple's law is "If you get caught"..not whether or not someone is committing a felony. Am i wrong?
These are all plausable questions that honor an answer.
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
Are the posts being reported? Usually the reason way thing don't get done right away is because no one reports posts the should be. ^_^
Valor
Active Member
Your question does not make sense son. What does age have to do with affiliatiion? In my mid 30's. However...don't try to be clever...because that comes in time too.vi know only because your quoting me. Soon or later..you'll have your own opinions. But you may use mine as long as you need.
KHPR
Social Meritocratist
I've already posted that we do recognize people can xeper without the Temple so your comment is in error. As for an HP on meth you must have more info that I do. The only one I can think of who came close to the meth world might have been Zeena, but I don't know since we didn't run in the same circles once she made the Priesthood.
As for how can the Temple make these mistakes? Wasn't it P.T. Barnum who said you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Sometimes we make a mistake, but as you'll notice we always fix our mistakes. I had no part in RKB making it to the V° and becoming HP. I wasn't old enough to be in the Temple at the time, but I was vehemently opposed to Zeena becoming HP and while people didn't listen to me in the end she was exposed and left pending her removal as HP.
Xeper,
Magister Robert Adams
Host, KHPR: The Voice of Darkness
KHPR
Social Meritocratist
To clarify:
1 Magus recognition
2 Magister recognitions
2 HP recognitions
All were fixed. This is not a debate nor argument thread.
Xeper,
Magister Robert Adams
Host, KHPR: The Voice of Darkness
Daelach
Setian
Setian debate and argument threads are being closed even in the debate area now.. which tells a lot.
KHPR
Social Meritocratist
Probably because the questions are baited with an attack to follow. This doesn't line up with normal debate practices.
Xeper,
Magister Robert Adams
Host, KHPR: The Voice of Darkness
Tol
Tol
I was being facetious; the "clever" part is that you miss so many points, criminal history notwithstanding.
Xeper,
Tolaeka
Daelach
Setian
Oh yes, attack. Unbearable. It escapes me why people would socialise with Set when they actually strive towards the image of Thoth. Maybe because Thoth is not so sexy because he is not so "evil".
And lining up with normal practices is, obviously, very, very important.
See how much that tells?
Valor
Active Member
I think it is a mistake that the Temple of Set turns Initiates away only if they are caught commiting felonies, not actually performing them. I think that turning away Initiates that don't have habitual crimes (more than 1 offense) is wrong. Felonies vary from state to state...in 47 other states my crime was not considered a felony... I think it is a mistake that the Temple does not see this. And what of felonies overseas? They are also different than ours yet the Temple affiliates foriegns? My crime is also not a felony in Europe, Asia or Australia. Which/who's dang laws are they using as a back drop?(not that i plan to attempt to re-join)
Yes Mr. Adams, you are correct... i was in error. You did explain to me in detail concerning the Temple recognizing Xeper outside the walls. Corrected.
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Daelach
Setian
Well, humans can commit errors, that happens, regardless how advanced they are. All humans can do is recognising the error and correct it as part of their xeper. However, according to the official TOS dogma, it is not that simple, with some priests having had a bad day concerning the recognition.
I dare quote from the official TOS FAQ:
So the argument "humans commit errors" does not wash in this case. Which leaves us with several possibilities to explain things.
1) Set wanted to make fun of the TOS.
2) Set was fooled, too. (what great black magicians..!)
3) The priests did not understand Set in such important (well, TOS-internally important only, of course) questions. Which makes the whole priest caste dubious.
4) Set has, in fact, nothing to do with the recognitions, and the reason that the priests claim the contrary is that they use it as a comfortable shield against all possible questions from the lower ranks. ("It is the god's will" has worked for millennia, hasn't it?)
5) some other explanation which makes neither Set nor the TOS look funny, but which escapes me at the moment.
My bet is #4.
Along that direction, I observed some funny discussions about III+ who quit the TOS and kept their title in their signature. Some TOS members objected that they were not anymore members of the TOS and thus did not have any rank any more. Their answer was that officially, it was not the TOS, but Set who had conferred the title, and since they still were Setians, so they would keep their rank. IMO, a classical backdraft of the "god has decided"-trick.
KHPR
Social Meritocratist
Now Don Webb is being touted as a meth head? Are you referring to the old 9 step recovery program article that he wrote with another Setian? That was only available in the Onyx tablet and has since been removed. I'll check in with a few people I know who might have it still and re-read it, but I don't remember anything about him using meth as the HP. I also don't remember anything about Zeena being a meth head and if she what was she cutting it with...lard?
So far I'm seeing accusations, but no proof offered up.
Xeper,
Magister Robert Adams
Host, KHPR: The Voice of Darkness