Ok Women, You Have Gotten Your Wish

[Sunstone]

But that's not the question I asked, the dangers a woman faces joining the US armed forces (the UK too, I don't want to be a hypocrite so I have to mention it) is far greater than any man now, yesterday or tomorrow. Do you not believe feminists maybe campaigned for the wrong option, rather than campaigning for a safer work environment first? If you check the American State Department and military forces for these statistics, it makes for quite stomach churning reading for women. Just horrible, horrible things that are done to them, often over looked in military investigations or swept under the rug.

Good question! I honestly don't have an answer to it, though.

 

[esmith]

Ok, now that they have the same "opportunities" that their male counterparts have does this mean that they have to register for Selective Service, does that mean that they will not have a choice whether they are assigned to a combat front line unit. Hey if that is what they want then they are going to have to be treated just as their male counterparts. Just saying.

 

[averageJOE]

As long as standards are not lowered. In fact, in terms of the physical fitness test, I think the female standards need to be raised now. I think females should be required to do the same number of push ups, sit ups, and two mile run as males. Level everything.

The Marines are still trying to figure out their pull-up issue with females. https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...5e7f7a-726d-11e3-8b3f-b1666705ca3b_story.html

 

[psychoslice]

If women want to be as stupid as men, then let them.

 

[averageJOE]

Also, by the end of 2016 I think all females 18 to 35 should be required to register with Selective Service, and required from there on out as soon as they turn 18. Just like males.

 

[Parsimony]

But that's not the question I asked, the dangers a woman faces joining the US armed forces (the UK too, I don't want to be a hypocrite so I have to mention it) is far greater than any man now, yesterday or tomorrow. Do you not believe feminists maybe campaigned for the wrong option, rather than campaigning for a safer work environment first? If you check the American State Department and military forces for these statistics, it makes for quite stomach churning reading for women. Just horrible, horrible things that are done to them, often over looked in military investigations or swept under the rug.

Something should definitely be done to mitigate this. However, if a woman understands the risks she will face in joining the military and still wants to join, then she should be allowed to.

 

[dust1n]

I'm still trying to figure out why we have a selective service anyways. It's like the government hasn't figured that I'm not going to go just go into a draft.

 

[esmith]

I'm still trying to figure out why we have a selective service anyways. It's like the government hasn't figured that I'm not going to go just go into a draft.

Wouldn't it depend on why? Would you go if this nation was directly attacked?

 

[dust1n]

Wouldn't it depend on why? Would you go if this nation was directly attacked?

Nope. If I decide I'm going to take up arms and go to war, it will be on my own terms guided by my own discretion, not whatever ***hats in Congress decide its worth risking my life and not theirs. Sorry. I signed Selective Service because you more or less have to if you want to be able to engage in most things in this country, like, student loans for example. If anyone actually tried to use SS, I'd leave America.

 

[esmith]

Nope. If I decide I'm going to take up arms and go to war, it will be on my own terms guided by my own discretion, not whatever ***hats in Congress decide its worth risking my life and not theirs. Sorry. I signed Selective Service because you more or less have to if you want to be able to engage in most things in this country, like, student loans for example. If anyone actually tried to use SS, I'd leave America.

As well you should if this country is attacked and you refuse to serve.

 

[dust1n]

As well you should if this country is attacked and you refuse to serve.

I'd be happy to. It'd would also be great to work out some sort of expatriation deal as well, so I'm not stuck with the double taxation when I leave. Heck, if the government can work out the visa and the plane ticket, I can head tomorrow if they'd like.

 

[Papoon]

Kurdish women have been inflicting serious damage on the gutless ISIS mongrels, who run in fear from them.
Strangely, those women are classified as terrorists by my govt (Australia). Who are also gutless mongrels.
But the women can fight. No doubt about it.

 

[Draka]

I've long thought it unfair that only men register for SS. I don't see why women shouldn't.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'd be happy to. It'd would also be great to work out some sort of expatriation deal as well, so I'm not stuck with the double taxation when I leave. Heck, if the government can work out the visa and the plane ticket, I can head tomorrow if they'd like.

Also, it's the patriotic thing for you to do because if you stayed but refused to serve.....
- You'd be in prison.
- You'd cost us money while paying no taxes.

The draft is unconstitutional anyway.
Nothing authorizes it.
Moreover, it's involuntary servitude, which is prohibited.
The USSC just closes its eyes, & looks the other way.

 

[dust1n]

Also, it's the patriotic thing for you to do because if you stayed but refused to serve.....
- You'd be in prison.
- You'd cost us money while paying no taxes.

See, the issue can easily be resolved in advance. Get me a bus ticket to a country not engaged in a pointless war, and save the country the money of having to deal with so many dissidents. Then they can attack whomever they want.

Yeck, I'd even support some sort of taxpayer buy-in program. If you guys with the guns want to funnel your own money into some fund for the purposes of sending Americans who want to go fight ISIS, and I'm sure there are plenty of them, I'd be all for it.

The draft is unconstitutional anyway.
Nothing authorizes it.
Moreover, it's involuntary servitude, which is prohibited.
The USSC just closes its eyes, & looks the other way.

Oh, that pesky constitution. Always in the way.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

Something should definitely be done to mitigate this. However, if a woman understands the risks she will face in joining the military and still wants to join, then she should be allowed to.

That's just not good enough because the vast majority of women do not understand the risk .TV ads for the army, in the UK and the US are very attractive, it's all about traveling the world, having an adventure, seeing cool things, meeting cool people, earning money etc etc etc. Heck ,war isn't even mentioned, let alone sexual abuse and this is the deception.

Hardly anyone I have met, male or female, has any clue what goes on in the armed force s and sadly, these armed forces pick on the weak, the destitute, the desperate and the poor. From what I've seen, read and heard, it's even worse in the US when it comes to recruitment.

The less educated, poor, or desperate an individual is, the less likely he/she will be interested in digging deeper into where they are going to work.
It's a deception and women are being trapped in the center of it, with feminists telling them "go for it", every bit as involved in the deception as the generals, politicians and ad makers.

I guess this brings us onto the greater debate of where feminism has gone wrong in recent years but that's a very different topic.

 

[Parsimony]

That's just not good enough because the vast majority of women do not understand the risk .TV ads for the army, in the UK and the US are very attractive, it's all about traveling the world, having an adventure, seeing cool things, meeting cool people, earning money etc etc etc. Heck ,war isn't even mentioned, let alone sexual abuse and this is the deception.

Hardly anyone I have met, male or female, has any clue what goes on in the armed force s and sadly, these armed forces pick on the weak, the destitute, the desperate and the poor. From what I've seen, read and heard, it's even worse in the US when it comes to recruitment.

The less educated, poor, or desperate an individual is, the less likely he/she will be interested in digging deeper into where they are going to work.
It's a deception and women are being trapped in the center of it, with feminists telling them "go for it", every bit as involved in the deception as the generals, politicians and ad makers.

I guess this brings us onto the greater debate of where feminism has gone wrong in recent years but that's a very different topic.

Then the solution is to educate them about these problems, not deny them entry just because they are women.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

Then the solution is to educate them about these problems, not deny them entry just because they are women.

But that education should have occurred many, many years ago. It doesn't. It's not about them being women or not ,capitalist society is designed to work people to the bone and then discard them. After many centuries, they (the establishment) realised that women were a great untapped resource, they can work them for longer hours and less pay and tell them they deserve it.

I don't think any sane woman would even want to join the armed forces if they learned that the profession offered escalating rates of rape, physical and verbal abuse.

 

[Parsimony]

But that education should have occurred many, many years ago. It doesn't. It's not about them being women or not ,capitalist society is designed to work people to the bone and then discard them. After many centuries, they (the establishment) realised that women were a great untapped resource, they can work them for longer hours and less pay and tell them they deserve it.

I don't think any sane woman would even want to join the armed forces if they learned that the profession offered escalating rates of rape, physical and verbal abuse.

I agree that this should have been fixed a long time ago.

 

[Draka]

But that education should have occurred many, many years ago. It doesn't. It's not about them being women or not ,capitalist society is designed to work people to the bone and then discard them. After many centuries, they (the establishment) realised that women were a great untapped resource, they can work them for longer hours and less pay and tell them they deserve it.

I don't think any sane woman would even want to join the armed forces if they learned that the profession offered escalating rates of rape, physical and verbal abuse.

I suppose I am insane then? Thanks.

You know, some people, women included, go into the military because it has become a tradition in their family. A proud one at that. We who grow up with it know the risks, the dangers, and how to conduct oneself. And no one had to recruit me. I recruited myself. I went to the office. I set up my appointments for MEPS. I pursued the Navy. I gladly did so. I am proud of what I learned while in, of who it made me, of what I accomplished and the service I performed while in. In fact, there is a part of me which kicks itself on a regular basis for not staying in. But I did get out at my EAOS and now that time in is a part of me. Of who and what I am as a person. I don't regret it in the least. At least, in the military, women aren't worked for longer hours for less pay now are they? We work the same hours and are paid the same pay rates.

As for sexual harassment, yeah, I received some while in, but then, I've received some in practically every job I've had at one time or another. It's not just a risk of being a woman in the military, it is a risk of being a woman period. And if a woman is willing to step up and deal with it in order to serve, then who is anyone to say she shouldn't? The problem isn't women in the military, the problem is how we raise our boys and men. Deal with making men who aren't violators and we wouldn't have to deal with the problems of women (and some other men) being victims.