Ok Women, You Have Gotten Your Wish

[Tomorrows_Child]

Perhaps their joining is what it takes for change, eh?
Some will have a rough time of it.

Rough time? They'll be getting raped and molested.

I wouldn't wish that upon my worse enemy.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

So, do you think all colleges should "MUST make it abundantly clear" to all females the chance of them being raped at their college will be? Nowadays, a female will equally, if not more, be raped in college than the military.

I'm not sure what the stats in the US are but here in the UK, in university towns i.e. Oxford, Cambridge and a handful of other places, 1 in 7 female students are raped. In the research that followed, i twas revealed that rape was largely carried out by a man who knew the woman and mainly when the girl was drunk, following a university drinking event/party. With that being the case, I do believe that the university has a responsibility to raise awareness of such issues, to maybe make sure there is a police presence outside university venues or student halls (as is the case in many high schools up and down the country, including the one I went to) and that these girls, often buying into the "we're at university, let's get hammered and mess about" mentality, permeated throughout our society, are formally told on the dangers of excess drinking at university parties and trying to get home, drunk, on their own.

In my university, a few months back, a girl living out ,away from the family was murdered. It was a pretty serious, serious incident and the university sent out multiple emails detailing how students, particularly women, should be careful in the local area and so on. They however, did not reveal the nature of the attack but obviously these things aren't going to say hidden and students all know each other and we found out the case involved rape. Following that, for quite a few weeks, a lot of the normal party girls that I know wouldn't go out or go out alone or drink too much but alas, we forget too soon.

With the new uni year, the parties and drunkenness and irresponsibility have started up again and the university is no longer sending out emails with regards to student safety. There's no point in trying to close the gate once the horses have bolted. The uni should be sending out informative emails and information on such issues regularly, which obviously seemed to work. Anyway, that's all I'm going to say on the issue.

It shouldn't be that difficult to understand the military is far more dangerous than university and that the conditions are worse and women shouldn't be pushed into joining it as part of the latest feminist war.

 

[Revoltingest]

Rough time? They'll be getting raped and molested.
I wouldn't wish that upon my worse enemy.

Yeah, I call that a "rough time", meaning difficult, painful, dangerous.
And of course, they also need to address the same situation for men.

 

[leibowde84]

I'm not saying that women should NEVER join the army, here or the US but I'm saying, that these institutions, which are now actively trying to recruit large numbers of women and where the media is propelling this BS feminist ideology that women should join the army, should not be doing so. The armies of the world need to be cleaned up first, especially with regards to women and THEN women should be asked to join.

That just seems like a convenient way of not allowing women in the military, though. When is it ever going to be "clean" enough? How would you go about "cleaning" it?

 

[Draka]

Rough time? They'll be getting raped and molested.

I wouldn't wish that upon my worse enemy.

You talk as if it is some guarantee that if a woman is in the military that that is definitely going to happen to her. As if just entering the military is somehow signing up to be raped. I was in a field where it was extremely rare for women to be in it. Matter of fact, there were only two women in my A school class when I went through and I was the only woman in my shop in my last command the entire time I was there. I also went into the Seabees (Naval construction) when out of active duty and in the Reserves where, again, I was the only woman in my unit. I was never raped. I was not molested. I did get some sexual harassment along the lines of comments and advances but I was damn effective in shutting those down. Being as singled out as the only woman around for the vast majority of my time in service I was, I was not subjected to what you seem to think all women are subjected to. And it's not as if it was because I was just unattractive or repulsive either.

You do realize, don't you, that when you speak of all these women getting molested and raped supposedly all the time in the military that what you are really doing is saying that there are just tons of men who are complete worthless pieces of ****? That men are animals. That men in the military are mostly sexual predators who just can't control themselves so women shouldn't be in the military. Again, women aren't the issue. The men that are pieces of **** are. Raise men better and there won't be these problems. Raise all men better and women, and some other men, won't have to deal with being victimized.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

That just seems like a convenient way of not allowing women in the military, though. When is it ever going to be "clean" enough? How would you go about "cleaning" it?

Enforce the law. You must have heard of such a simple concept?

But look, it's fine, it's not me joining these armies and suffering abuse. I was just stating some facts which some people on here seem hell bent on ignoring. Why? I can not fathom.

 

[leibowde84]

Enforce the law. You must have heard of such a simple concept?

But look, it's fine, it's not me joining these armies and suffering abuse. I was just stating some facts which some people on here seem hell bent on ignoring. Why? I can not fathom.

I think that more women in the military will help to alleviate this problem a bit.

 

[Draka]

I can't help but notice that the one woman vet that has been commenting upon this thread has been largely ignored by someone who, apparently, does not want to hear what she has to say as it contradicts his claims about women in the military.

I mean, really, not only are women not supposed to be in the military I guess they shouldn't comment upon it either. And the sheer idea of a woman that was in, well just can't have that now huh?

Well, what do I know anyway right? I'm apparently insane anyway. It's been said at least twice already.

 

[SeekingTruth]

If a person meets physical requirements, why should sex matter?

 

[esmith]

If a person meets physical requirements, why should sex matter?

I see no reason for women not to be in the military. However, as stated previously standards can not be relaxed. Relaxing standards will cost lives. For instance, if a woman can get through BUDS and SEAL training so be it. Some say that the hardest part of allowing women into the military is not totally physical but culture. Here in the US and elsewhere men have been convinced that they are the toughest person wearing combat boots, which in reality allows them to get through the brutality that is the very essence of their job and it could be difficulty to integrate women into front line combat units. If a woman can take the physical and mental demand of beign a front line grunt, let them do it. We have a lot of the "new" generation that can not met the physical standars to get into the service
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/08/29/army-recruiting-obesity/14798757/

and it will get worse as the obesity of todays youths continue to accelarate at a dangerous paces
http://www.medicaldaily.com/generat...re-likely-be-obese-previous-age-groups-334246

So, the military is going to have to expand the recruit pool in order to meet the requirement for recurits; thus the acceptance of woment into combat roles. And you thought it was because woment were complaning.

 

[Mycroft]

Some say that the hardest part of allowing women into the military is not totally physical but culture..

So change the culture. The Military is supposed to be a grown up institution, not an extension of the sophomoric college experience.

 

[Underhill]

I see no reason for women not to be in the military. However, as stated previously standards can not be relaxed. Relaxing standards will cost lives. For instance, if a woman can get through BUDS and SEAL training so be it. Some say that the hardest part of allowing women into the military is not totally physical but culture. Here in the US and elsewhere men have been convinced that they are the toughest person wearing combat boots, which in reality allows them to get through the brutality that is the very essence of their job and it could be difficulty to integrate women into front line combat units. If a woman can take the physical and mental demand of beign a front line grunt, let them do it. We have a lot of the "new" generation that can not met the physical standars to get into the service
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/08/29/army-recruiting-obesity/14798757/

and it will get worse as the obesity of todays youths continue to accelarate at a dangerous paces
http://www.medicaldaily.com/generat...re-likely-be-obese-previous-age-groups-334246

So, the military is going to have to expand the recruit pool in order to meet the requirement for recurits; thus the acceptance of woment into combat roles. And you thought it was because woment were complaning.

At the same time I am seeing evidence that physical standards may not be as important in the not so distant future as mental acuity. Technology could, in a very short time, have people carrying two hundred pound loads around like it was nothing.

"Today's exoskeletons vary in utility, but they can allow soldiers to carry 17 times more weight than normal and march with significantly less strain on the body. With an XOS 2 suit, for example, a solider can carry 400 pounds but feel the weight of only 23.5."

http://www.businessinsider.com/military-exoskeletons-2014-8

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I would rather have a SMART person minding my back than a muscle bound one.
A member of the forces should be selected for effectiveness not just strength.

Interestingly... an officer training unit at Sandhurst has just appointed its first woman commanding officer.
all such units now are mixed sex.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

what do you think of the abnormally high rates of sexual abuse that female recruits suffer in the US army?

a large increase in the number of women at all ranks will rapidly change that culture.
Sexual abusers are criminals.
They should be punished as such and then discharged in disgrace.

 

[averageJOE]

I would rather have a SMART person minding my back than a muscle bound one.
A member of the forces should be selected for effectiveness not just strength.

Interestingly... an officer training unit at Sandhurst has just appointed its first woman commanding officer.
all such units now are mixed sex.

Ummm...soldiers are selected based on their effectiveness. Soldiers today are very smart, most of them either have a college degree or is working on one. http://www.facethefactsusa.org/facts/tanks-and-humvees-caps-and-gowns

 

[Draka]

Ummm...soldiers are selected based on their effectiveness. Soldiers today are very smart, most of them either have a college degree or is working on one. http://www.facethefactsusa.org/facts/tanks-and-humvees-caps-and-gowns

It also varies by branch. Each branch has different requirements for intelligence. The minimum requirements for ASVAB scores are different for each branch.

 

[Akivah]

But look, it's fine, it's not me joining these armies and suffering abuse. I was just stating some facts which some people on here seem hell bent on ignoring. Why? I can not fathom.

Because you are discriminating against women, but in an opposite way. You are claiming that all men are sexual predators and all women will be victimized. The argument that people can't do something until it is totally safe would have prevented Jackie Robinson from joining the Dodgers or Rosa Parks from riding a bus. Change comes from those people that endure the existing environment to get it changed. If women want to change the military, they have to be brave enough to join it, as is.

 

[esmith]

So change the culture. The Military is supposed to be a grown up institution, not an extension of the sophomoric college experience.

How do you expect the military to change a 18 year old males attitudes that has been developing for most of their life within a year or less;. It is not the military responsibility to change the culture of a society. However, the USMC has a proven method of turning a civilian into a Marine, but that still does not change the cultural attitudes.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Ummm...soldiers are selected based on their effectiveness. Soldiers today are very smart, most of them either have a college degree or is working on one. http://www.facethefactsusa.org/facts/tanks-and-humvees-caps-and-gowns

I would expect an officer in training to have a degree. I would not expect an "other rank" to have one. Though some technicians certainly do.
It would be unusual and perhaps unnecessary for an infantry man to have one.

In the UK, a female is likely to have a better educational achievement level than an equivalent male.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

How do you expect the military to change a 18 year old males attitudes that has been developing for most of their life within a year or less;. It is not the military responsibility to change the culture of a society. However, the USMC has a proven method of turning a civilian into a Marine, but that still does not change the cultural attitudes.

If they have a propensity for rape and pillage they should not be in the forces.
In fact the best place for such a person is prison or psycho ward.