Oklahoma Republican Doesn't Like That You Can't Hit Kids ...Even Those with Impairments

[Secret Chief]

But it is ok for Democrats to kill a baby that is alive after brith..

Dems block Senate GOP bill on infants surviving abortions

WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Democrats on Monday blocked a Republican bill that would have threatened prison for doctors who don't try saving the life of infants born alive during abortions.

apnews.com

It’s different when you hit with intent to kill b/c it’s a baby.

Whataboutery gold medal.

 

[Revoltingest]

often… would you like me to site some cases?

Something more supported than claiming "often".

 

[Secret Chief]

Only when I did something that merited it.

"a review of studies by RCPCH found smacking can be damaging to children's behaviour, health and wellbeing.

It said, for example, children who experience physical punishment are nearly three times more likely to develop poor mental health and twice as likely to be on the receiving end of serious physical assault and abuse.

Being smacked also increased the chances of having difficult relationships with family and being aggressive later in life."

- Protect children from smacking in England and Northern Ireland, say doctors

I can't quite see why hitting an adult can be a criminal offence but the same society can say it's ok to hit a child.

 

[Twilight Hue]

And what about the parents who DON'T agree with corporal punishment in their schools? Do their kids get hit as well? Justifying this with Bible verses!

At about 1:40 he brings impaired into the mix of who can be hit, because not hitting them implies that we don't love them!

What kind of hitting you are talking about.

Outright physical abuse or a simple swat on the fanny?

 

[Twilight Hue]

"a review of studies by RCPCH found smacking can be damaging to children's behaviour, health and wellbeing.

It said, for example, children who experience physical punishment are nearly three times more likely to develop poor mental health and twice as likely to be on the receiving end of serious physical assault and abuse.

Being smacked also increased the chances of having difficult relationships with family and being aggressive later in life."

- Protect children from smacking in England and Northern Ireland, say doctors

I can't quite see why hitting an adult can be a criminal offence but the same society can say it's ok to hit a child.

Yet the police can hit you for disobedience if you resist.

Corporal punishment is intended to provide a life lesson that there are consequences for disobedience which carries out to adulthood.

The logic is if a child learns that lesson early, that person won't likely find out later on with the law who will hit you far worse if you disobey them.

That how society is run. Hitting disobedient people is the rule rather than an exception in this life.

 

[Pogo]

Yet the police can hit you for disobedience if you resist.

Corporal punishment is intended to provide a life lesson that there are consequences for disobedience which carries out to adulthood.

The logic is if a child learns that lesson early, that person won't likely find out later on with the law who will hit you far worse if you disobey them.

That how society is run. Hitting disobedient people is the rule rather than an exception in this life.

You have heard of the is/ought problem?

 

[Kenny]

"a review of studies by RCPCH found smacking can be damaging to children's behaviour, health and wellbeing.

It said, for example, children who experience physical punishment are nearly three times more likely to develop poor mental health and twice as likely to be on the receiving end of serious physical assault and abuse.

Being smacked also increased the chances of having difficult relationships with family and being aggressive later in life."

- Protect children from smacking in England and Northern Ireland, say doctors

I can't quite see why hitting an adult can be a criminal offence but the same society can say it's ok to hit a child.

I disagree with their deductions as well as it depends on whether they were smacked or corrected. I find that it is more of an effort by today's liberal psychologists or personal opinions than it is in actuality.

https://joyoffaith.com/assets/support-of-spanking.pdf

 

[Kenny]

So you are in favor of people who are not the child's parents making this decision for you?

No. I don’t think I said that either.

 

[Pogo]

No. I don’t think I said that either.

Then you might want to consider the unintended consequences of your logic.

 

[Kenny]

Then you might want to consider the unintended consequences of your logic.

We haven’t had a comprehensive discussion on the subject. Your statement is way premature.

 

[Pogo]

I disagree with their deductions as well as it depends on whether they were smacked or corrected. I find that it is more of an effort by today's liberal psychologists or personal opinions than it is in actuality.

https://joyoffaith.com/assets/support-of-spanking.pdf

And you have confidence in unknown persons making this appropriate distinction in your absence?

 

[Kenny]

And you have confidence in unknown persons making this appropriate distinction in your absence?

Where are you getting this line of thinking from? Can you quote what I said that refers to what you are imagining?

 

[Pogo]

We haven’t had a comprehensive discussion on the subject. Your statement is way premature.

We are trying to figure out if you think this Oklahoman's position is one you would support, so far you seem to.

 

[Kenny]

We are trying to figure out if you think this Oklahoman's position is one you would support, so far you seem to.

Then you are definitely reading into what isn’t there. Never addressed what the video said.

 

[Pogo]

Then you are definitely reading into what isn’t there. Never addressed what the video said.

Well it seemed to be a rather large part of the OP, I didn't assume that you were ignoring it, sorry.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

And what about the parents who DON'T agree with corporal punishment in their schools? Do their kids get hit as well? Justifying this with Bible verses!

The writers of the Bible were not, I would imagine, particularly well-versed in human psychology. They did know that if you beat the dog every time it stole a lamb chop, it would stop doing it. And in a rough and tumble world, violence was pretty much your first go-to when faced with a problem that irked you.

And I'm afraid I'm beginning to see that there are many Christian fundies that prefer wallowing in the ignorance of "Do not withhold discipline from your son; though you beat him with a rod he will not die" to learning the (to me) fairly obvious fact that corporal punishment triggers harmful psychological and physiological responses. Children not only experience pain, sadness, fear, anger, shame and guilt, but feeling threatened also leads to physiological stress and the activation of neural pathways that support dealing with danger.

Now, let's talk about why there's so much violence in red states...

 

[Valjean]

Yet the police can hit you for disobedience if you resist.

They're supposed to use only the force necessary to bring you under control.

Corporal punishment is intended to provide a life lesson that there are consequences for disobedience which carries out to adulthood.

The logic is if a child learns that lesson early, that person won't likely find out later on with the law who will hit you far worse if you disobey them.

That how society is run. Hitting disobedient people is the rule rather than an exception in this life.

Good behavior from fear of negative consequences is a child's level of morality. Nor is it particularly robust, when no immediate threat is perceived.
Shouldn't we be trying to achieve an internalized code of behavior?

 

[Kenny]

Well it seemed to be a rather large part of the OP, I didn't assume that you were ignoring it, sorry.

No problem. We all make mistakes when the thread goes quick

 

[The Hammer]

"a review of studies by RCPCH found smacking can be damaging to children's behaviour, health and wellbeing.

It said, for example, children who experience physical punishment are nearly three times more likely to develop poor mental health and twice as likely to be on the receiving end of serious physical assault and abuse.

Being smacked also increased the chances of having difficult relationships with family and being aggressive later in life."

- Protect children from smacking in England and Northern Ireland, say doctors

I can't quite see why hitting an adult can be a criminal offence but the same society can say it's ok to hit a child.

He doesn't care. I've walked this talk with him.

 

[Subduction Zone]

LOL… your tirggered by the response

Not really. I am a bit ticked off by your self imposed blindness where you only read the part of articles that you like. You should have read the whole thing.

First off you are swallowing a false narrative hook line and sinker. You really should apologize for that. This was a bill that did not good and could have done plenty of harm. Can you think rationally for once when it comes to abortion. Elective late term abortions are extremely save, and inexpensive if one does them early. The longer one waits the larger a chance of complications there are and the more expensive that they become. For the sort of abortion in that bill those are almost always, by a huge percentage pregnancies that went terribly wrong and either the mother's life is in danger, or the fetus will at best die an early painful death. Women are not going "Yeehah!! I am having a last minute abortion because I have money up the wazoo and I changed my mind at the last minute". You are being taken in by conmen and be abused by them. if anyone should be mad it is you. You also need to read this passage from your article that you did not understand:


"Doctors’ and abortion-rights groups say it is extremely unusual for live infants to be born during attempted late-term abortions, which they say usually occur when the baby is extremely deformed or deemed unable to survive after birth. In such cases, families sometimes decide they want to induce labor so they can spend time with the infant before it dies.

“It only happens in instances in which we know that the baby will not ultimately survive, and a choice has been pre-made to provide just comfort care” to the baby so the parents can be with it, said Dr. Colleen McNicholas, a fellow with the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists."

Why are your morals so abysmally low at times? This is what religion can do to people, If that bill passed parents would not have the ability to be with their child for the only few hours of life that it had. It would be taken away to an NICU where it would be slapped in a machine. Now for a normal premature birth that makes sense. It does not make sense when the baby is going to die anyway.