Oklahoma Republican Doesn't Like That You Can't Hit Kids ...Even Those with Impairments

[Secret Chief]

https://joyoffaith.com/assets/support-of-spanking.pdf

I think it pretty disgusting that here in the 21st century there can be support for physical abuse of children from a religion. Thankfully in the UK it is consigned to the dustbin of history, whether at home or in school.


"School corporal punishment, of students by teachers or school administrators, such as caning or paddling, has been banned in many countries, including Canada, Kenya, South Africa, New Zealand and all of Europe. It remains legal, if increasingly less common, in some states of the United States and in some countries in Africa and Southeast Asia."


- Corporal punishment - Wikipedia

 

[Secret Chief]

Yet the police can hit you for disobedience if you resist.

I don't know about your country but this isn't so in the UK. Restraint with minimum force is the approach. But as @Revoltingest has repeatedly demonstrated, your police aren't exactly beacons of civilised behaviour.

Corporal punishment is intended to provide a life lesson that there are consequences for disobedience which carries out to adulthood.

Instil fear in a child rather than assist in providing a moral compass. Excellent.

The logic is if a child learns that lesson early, that person won't likely find out later on with the law who will hit you far worse if you disobey them.

Back to your lovely police again. Presumably this is why there is such a low level of crime in the US?

That how society is run. Hitting disobedient people is the rule rather than an exception in this life.

Maybe in some retarded states of the US, certainly not in the UK. Tell you what, come to the UK and try some of your life lesson out in public on a child and see what happens. There may be a slight dip in your popularity.

 

[Yerda]

And god said yea assault those with disabilities. What the actual is going on in America?

I'd say that politicians are appealing to the "Christian values" of their core voters.

Kinda like the Mail et al over here appeal to the "real concerns" of their readers.

Know your audience.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yet the police can hit you for disobedience if you resist.

Corporal punishment is intended to provide a life lesson that there are consequences for disobedience which carries out to adulthood.

The logic is if a child learns that lesson early, that person won't likely find out later on with the law who will hit you far worse if you disobey them.

That how society is run. Hitting disobedient people is the rule rather than an exception in this life.

Is there empirical evidence that hitting
children is better than alternatives?

 

[Kenny]

Not really. I am a bit ticked off by your self imposed blindness where you only read the part of articles that you like. You should have read the whole thing.

First off you are swallowing a false narrative hook line and sinker. You really should apologize for that. This was a bill that did not good and could have done plenty of harm. Can you think rationally for once when it comes to abortion. Elective abortions are extremely save, and inexpensive if one does them early. The longer one waits the larger a chance of complications there are and the more expensive that they become. For the sort of abortion in that bill those are almost always, by a huge percentage pregnancies that went terribly wrong and either the mother's life is in danger, or the fetus will at best die an early painful death. Women are not going "Yeehah!! I am having a last minute abortion because I have money up the wazoo and I changed my mind at the last minute". You are being taken in by conmen and be abused by them. if anyone should be mad it is you. You also need to read this passage from your article that you did not understand:


"Doctors’ and abortion-rights groups say it is extremely unusual for live infants to be born during attempted late-term abortions, which they say usually occur when the baby is extremely deformed or deemed unable to survive after birth. In such cases, families sometimes decide they want to induce labor so they can spend time with the infant before it dies.

“It only happens in instances in which we know that the baby will not ultimately survive, and a choice has been pre-made to provide just comfort care” to the baby so the parents can be with it, said Dr. Colleen McNicholas, a fellow with the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists."

Why are your morals so abysmally low at times? This is what religion can do to people, If that bill passed parents would not have the ability to be with their child for the only few hours of life that it had. It would be taken away to an NICU where it would be slapped in a machine. Now for a normal premature birth that makes sense. It does not make sense when the baby is going to die anyway.

I think what really ticks you off is the reality that life is God-given. One of those inalienable rights...

 

[Revoltingest]

I think what really ticks you off is the reality that life is God-given. One of those inalienable rights...

To us heathens, life is what happens.
Fanciful invented gods & myths are irrelevant.
It would be absurd to be "ticked off" by such stories.

What does vex is that many believers want to impose
their proscriptions on others. Many even want treason,
eg, subordinating the Constitution to the Church,
over-turning an election to install their spiritual warrior
sent by God (Trump), denying medical care to women
experiencing pregnancy complications.
It speaks volumes about them that Donald Trump is their
exemplar...the hand of God on Earth. And that they feel
no shame for his rampant sinful acts.

 

[Kenny]

I think it pretty disgusting that here in the 21st century there can be support for physical abuse of children from a religion. Thankfully in the UK it is consigned to the dustbin of history, whether at home or in school.


"School corporal punishment, of students by teachers or school administrators, such as caning or paddling, has been banned in many countries, including Canada, Kenya, South Africa, New Zealand and all of Europe. It remains legal, if increasingly less common, in some states of the United States and in some countries in Africa and Southeast Asia."


- Corporal punishment - Wikipedia

Yes… religion does do that… however, in our Christian faith, physical abuse from parents is not a right - it is a sin

 

[Kenny]

To us heathens, life is what happens.
Fanciful invented gods & myths are irrelevant.

That is a great example of two people looking at the same evidence and coming to two different conclusions.

What does vex is that many believers want to impose
their proscriptions on others.

Many even want treason,
eg, subordinating the Constitution to the Church,
over-turning an election to install their spiritual warrior
sent by God (Trump), denying medical care to women
experiencing pregnancy complications.
It speaks volumes about them that Donald Trump is their
exemplar...the hand of God on Earth. And that they feel
no shame for his rampant sinful acts.

This sounds more like Trump derangement syndrome.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes… religion does do that… however, in our Christian faith, physical abuse from parents is not a right - it is a sin

But it's a very popular sin among Christians.
Or possibly....you can't speak for all Christians,
many of whom believe that corporal punishment
is very Christian.

Bible and spanking children. Corporal punishment–How, and how not, to spank children. | Doug Britton Books

Bible study on how, and how not, to spank children for Christian parents and others. Practical, biblical information and advice on spanking children (administering corporal punishment) without committing child abuse.

www.dougbrittonbooks.com

https://whttps://www.gty.org/library/Articles/A216/Parenting-in-an-AntiSpanking-Cultureww.achhs.org/examining-non-abusive-spanking-in-christian-households/

Proverbs 13:24 - A Father's Discipline

He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines him diligently.

biblehub.com

 

[Revoltingest]

This sounds more like Trump derangement syndrome.

Indeed, there must be something very
wrong (IMO) with Christians who embrace
him as a man of God.
"Derangement" is applicable.

 

[Kenny]

But it's a very popular sin among Christians.
Or possibly....you can't speak for all Christians,
many of whom believe that corporal punishment
is very Christian.

Bible and spanking children. Corporal punishment–How, and how not, to spank children. | Doug Britton Books

Bible study on how, and how not, to spank children for Christian parents and others. Practical, biblical information and advice on spanking children (administering corporal punishment) without committing child abuse.

www.dougbrittonbooks.com

https://whttps://www.gty.org/library/Articles/A216/Parenting-in-an-AntiSpanking-Cultureww.achhs.org/examining-non-abusive-spanking-in-christian-households/

Proverbs 13:24 - A Father's Discipline

He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines him diligently.

biblehub.com

"(and how not) to spank children"​

https://joyoffaith.com/assets/support-of-spanking.pdf

 

[Secret Chief]

Yes… religion does do that… however, in our Christian faith, physical abuse from parents is not a right - it is a sin

"Corporal punishment" is physical abuse.

 

[Revoltingest]

"(and how not) to spank children"​

That "and" reminds me of Islamic prescriptions
about how to properly beat one's wife.
The problem....
Many Christians & Muslims believe in beating
their family members. The only issue is how.

 

[Secret Chief]

But it's a very popular sin among Christians.
Or possibly....you can't speak for all Christians,
many of whom believe that corporal punishment
is very Christian.

Bible and spanking children. Corporal punishment–How, and how not, to spank children. | Doug Britton Books

Bible study on how, and how not, to spank children for Christian parents and others. Practical, biblical information and advice on spanking children (administering corporal punishment) without committing child abuse.

www.dougbrittonbooks.com

https://whttps://www.gty.org/library/Articles/A216/Parenting-in-an-AntiSpanking-Cultureww.achhs.org/examining-non-abusive-spanking-in-christian-households/

Proverbs 13:24 - A Father's Discipline

He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines him diligently.

biblehub.com

I can't quite believe I'm reading this: (from your link)


"Proverbs 23:13
Do not withhold discipline from a child; although you strike him with a rod, he will not die.

Proverbs 23:14
Strike him with a rod, and you will deliver his soul from Sheol."

Apparently this isn't physical abuse.

 

[Revoltingest]

"Corporal punishment" is physical abuse.

Unless it's done properly, eg, using a
belt instead of a whip because the
welts are smaller, & heal faster.

Watch this fundamentalist PSA....

 

[Kenny]

"Corporal punishment" is physical abuse.

Spanking with love is correction. When the world punishes (jail, fines, firing from your job et al) is without love.

 

[Kenny]

That "and" reminds me of Islamic prescriptions
about how to properly beat one's wife.
The problem....
Many Christians & Muslims believe in beating
their family members. The only issue is how.

You don’t need God as an excuse to “beat” - atheists can do it too.

 

[Revoltingest]

I can't quite believe I'm reading this: (from your link)


"Proverbs 23:13
Do not withhold discipline from a child; although you strike him with a rod, he will not die.

Proverbs 23:14
Strike him with a rod, and you will deliver his soul from Sheol."

Apparently this isn't physical abuse.

Christians are fond of surfing the Koran for quotes
proving it's a violent religion. Oh, if only they applied
this tool to their own scripture. The term "cognitive
dissonance" comes to mind. (IMO)

 

[Revoltingest]

You don’t need God as an excuse to “beat” - atheists can do it too.

Sure.
But we're not the one's claiming that
God wants us to beat children & wives.
Atheists who use corporal punishment
do so by personal choice...not by a
commandment by God, Allah, etc.

 

[Revoltingest]

But it is ok for Democrats to kill a baby that is alive after brith..

It seems that you've a very extreme negative
& narrow view of Democrats. While I too have
problems with that party, your belief that they're
sanguine about killing babies is delusional. (IMO)