Oklahoma schools in revolt over Bible mandate

[Pogo]

It's in the younger generation's hands, for better or worse. I may ignore the entire case and keep my mouth shut. We truly don't need the dialogue anyway. We don't require negotiations. It's your country, too. Your decisions and if you don't want inclusive religious history as part of our education as a free nation, it's not my future to concern myself with. Truth be told, I have no right to step in and screw up the antireligious movement taking place in the nation, anyway.

I doubt I am much younger than you, it is not about age, but inclusive religious history is not what you appear to think it is.

Most everyone I've spoken to disapproves of religion and faith-oriented institutions with governmental influence. I don't understand much about the modern world. It's all LGBT, secular triumph, and if you're a man sit your butt down, unless you're not a straight male, then you can have a voice again.

Yes, that is rather the point of the first amendment, governmental influence on faith oriented institutions is frowned upon, do you have a reason to disagree with this long standing attitude?
As an aside as a straight male I am more than happy to recognize that many of my coworkers were not, but as a difference from where I grew up in a good midwestern town, they are not shunned and contribute every much as I and others do.

cib, I'm having a seat with the rest of the underground. We'll come out of the woodwork one day ourselves, just like those who placed us here did. I'm grabbing my popcorn.

I doubt it, but we do recognize you as the anachronism that you are.
We will be more than happy to welcome you into the 21st century when you are ready, and that does not mean that you need to give up your belief in a god in any way.

Welcome

It's your ball - your court ... my apologies.

I'll quit stepping on toes

Good luck

As I said, you are welcome to join 21st century humanity and the modern understandings of your Christ.

 

[Balthazzar]

I doubt I am much younger than you, it is not about age, but inclusive religious history is not what you appear to think it is.

Yes, that is rather the point of the first amendment, governmental influence on faith oriented institutions is frowned upon, do you have a reason to disagree with this long standing attitude?
As an aside as a straight male I am more than happy to recognize that many of my coworkers were not, but as a difference from where I grew up in a good midwestern town, they are not shunned and contribute every much as I and others do.

I doubt it, but we do recognize you as the anachronism that you are.
We will be more than happy to welcome you into the 21st century when you are ready, and that does not mean that you need to give up your belief in a god in any way.

Welcome

As I said, you are welcome to join 21st century humanity and the modern understandings of your Christ.

Anyway, Oklahoma is on the agenda for Oklahoma. On a side note, don't pretend to think you know my understanding of Christ, modern or otherwise. The 21st century came and went with the new renaissance, as did a portion of the 22nd, marking the end of the industrial revolution and a new era in human history.

Having lived most my life in the 20th century and only the beginning stages of the 21st, we're looking at a very eventful future. I'm back on my feet now and we will be watching.

Good luck, Pogo

Sir Balt

 

[Pogo]

Anyway, Oklahoma is on the agenda for Oklahoma. On a side note, don't pretend to think you know my understanding of Christ, modern or otherwise. The 21st century came and went with the new renaissance, as did a portion of the 22nd. I'm back on my feet now and we'll be watching.

Good luck

Hoo Kay, When we catch up to you and Buck Rogers in the 22nd century I'm sure we will understand. In the mean time Peace Out.

 

[Revoltingest]

Anyway, Oklahoma is on the agenda for Oklahoma.

But if they're successful, aided by the potential
Trump re-presidency, public schools teaching
the Bible will spread. I don't trust SCOTUS to
honor stare decisis & separation of church & state.

 

[Balthazzar]

But if they're successful, aided by the potential
Trump re-presidency, public schools teaching
the Bible will spread. I don't trust SCOTUS to
honor stare decisis & separation of church & state.

The condition of our 1st is?

Maybe hanging on someone's wall as a trophy.

Right to bear arms? We don't like guns anymore or religion

... and then there's two on the wall ...

How many bill of rights left for the wall?

Wait, we no longer have a voice ... and now we have no guns.

We're at War!

What?

They've breached our borders ...

Why?

We're the infidels and incompetent arrogant unable's, unable to take a history lesson to heart.

Forgive me for the far reaching and highly unlikely event that hasn't actually taken place. It's a fear of mine. Call it a phobia. We have needs and I'm staying out of it for a while. Not that I'm required to. I'm just tired of trying. Discussions simply seem pointless, anymore. Forget the bibles and history pertaining to it, and forget religion and everything it represents, right? If you want to go to church go to church. If not don't.

Is it enough to simply remember who surround's the U.S. borders and not have enough understanding how to relate when we can't even relate to those in our own nation?

I'm being told to let them work it out themselves.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The 21st century came and went with the new renaissance, as did a portion of the 22nd, marking the end of the industrial revolution and a new era in human history.

This is the 21st century.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Is it enough to simply remember who surround's the U.S. borders and not have enough understanding how to relate when we can't even relate to those in our own nation?

Canadians are a threat? Maybe to our blood sugar levels. Canadians relate so well we watch them on TV amd hear them sing all the time without realizing it.
Mexicans are a danger? Maybe to those who can't handle spicy heat. And relating to? It's still a Western/European derrived culture so definitely also relatable, especially with food and Western stuff (like cowboys and stuff) and Catholicism. Yes, it's derrived from some Native tribes and Spain, but we've already got a lot in common.

 

[Argentbear]

It's in the younger generation's hands, for better or worse. I may ignore the entire case and keep my mouth shut. We truly don't need the dialogue anyway. We don't require negotiations. It's your country, too. Your decisions and if you don't want inclusive religious history as part of our education as a free nation, it's not my future to concern myself with. Truth be told, I have no right to step in and screw up the antireligious movement taking place in the nation, anyway.

Most everyone I've spoken to disapproves of religion and faith-oriented institutions with governmental influence. I don't understand much about the modern world. It's all LGBT, secular triumph, and if you're a man sit your butt down, unless you're not a straight male, then you can have a voice again.

So, I'm having a seat with the rest of the underground. We'll come out of the woodwork one day ourselves, just like those who placed us here did. I'm grabbing my popcorn.

It's your ball - your court ... my apologies.

I'll quit stepping on toes

Good luck

ah the good old days when those nasty wicked homos could be imprisoned, tortured and even killed by good wholesome Christians.

 

[Balthazzar]

This is the 21st century.

I'm sure you are correct, and the industrial revolution is just now entering into its third stage in human history.

 

[Balthazzar]

ah the good old days when those nasty wicked homos could be imprisoned, tortured and even killed by good wholesome Christians.

Where have you been?

 

[Revoltingest]

The condition of our 1st is?

Up for grabs with a biblical interpretation.

Right to bear arms? We don't like guns anymore or religion

I do.
Pew! Pew! Pew!

... and then there's two on the wall ...

How many bill of rights left for the wall?

Wait, we no longer have a voice ... and now we have no guns.

We're at War!

What?

They've breached our borders ...

Why?

We're the infidels and incompetent arrogant unable's, unable to take a history lesson to heart.

Forgive me for the far reaching and highly unlikely event that hasn't actually taken place. It's a fear of mine. Call it a phobia. We have needs and I'm staying out of it for a while. Not that I'm required to. I'm just tired of trying. Discussions simply seem pointless, anymore. Forget the bibles and history pertaining to it, and forget religion and everything it represents, right? If you want to go to church go to church. If not don't.

Is it enough to simply remember who surround's the U.S. borders and not have enough understanding how to relate when we can't even relate to those in our own nation?

I'm being told to let them work it out themselves.

It's important to vote for the less fascist of 2 evils.

 

[Balthazzar]

Up for grabs with a biblical interpretation.

I do.
Pew! Pew! Pew!

It's important to vote for the less fascist of 2 evils.

Me, too.

It must be my tactical orientation from childhood

I'm not voting, though.

I'm on standby . . .

 

[Revoltingest]

Me, too.

It must be my tactical orientation from childhood

I'm not voting, though.

I'm on standby . . .

If you do vote though, I recommend Harris.
She has one outstanding quality, ie, not being
fascist treasonous buffoonish thug.
So if Trump loses, you'll be guaranteed to be
able to vote in subsequent elections if you
so desire.

 

[Balthazzar]

If you do vote though, I recommend Harris.
She has one outstanding quality, ie, not being
fascist treasonous buffoonish thug.
So if Trump loses, you'll be guaranteed to be
able to vote in subsequent elections if you
so desire.

I did and even campaigned for a couple candidates, much like many others do. I would have voted Trump 2016 and although I still like Trump, I also like Harris enough to have a seat. I'm not a democrat. I'm more moderate than anything. I am known to lean to the left side, but I need a strong right, also. I was compelled to drop a knee and stand back up, but the whole notion of global war and conflict, guns and violence, and killing my neighbors to help secure the freedoms of this nation has me a little on edge. The 1st has been my saving graces for over 25 years now and now it seems pointless to continue that effort as a sole able.

I must admit, I'm a little torn at the moment.

 

[Revoltingest]

I did and even campaigned for a couple candidates, much like many others do. I would have voted Trump 2016 and although I still like Trump, I also like Harris enough to have a seat. I'm not a democrat. I'm more moderate than anything. I am known to lean to the left side, but I need a strong right, also. I was compelled to drop a knee and stand back up, but the whole notion of war and guns and violence and killing my neighbors has me a little on edge. The 1st has been my saving graces for over 25 years now and now it seems pointless to continue that effort as a sole able.

I must admit, I'm a little torn at the moment.

Just vote as I told you.
It's for the best.

 

[Balthazzar]

Just vote as I told you.
It's for the best.

Capt. Jack (Patton) would suggest it better for me to sit this one out and based on my stance and need, and to allow our future to unfold the only way it appears it's going to unfold, no matter who gets the seat in the white house.

For now, my laptop and camera gear is enough, but if the dreaded day comes where defense must be demonstrated, I'll likely pick up a Smith and Wesson 2.0 - 9mm from the performance center, and maybe a .450 bushmaster for longer range, dressed in nice able and stable chassis.

 

[Revoltingest]

Capt. Jack (Patton) would suggest it better for me to sit this one out and based on my stance and need, and to allow our future to unfold the only way it appears it's going to unfold, no matter who gets the seat in the white house.

For now, my laptop and camera gear is enough, but if the dreaded day comes where defense must be demonstrated, I'll likely pick up a Smith and Wesson 2.0 - 9mm from the performance center, and maybe a .450 bushmaster for longer range, dressed in nice able and stable chassis.

Let me do your thinking for you.
You won't regret it.

 

[Balthazzar]

Let me do your thinking for you.
You won't regret it.

That's not anything of what I understand to be useful as an educated, critical thinker. I'll pass and stand exactly as I am.

Even with my personal blinders, I'm a truer guide than you for myself. It's not very prudent to allow someone else to take hold of the reigns that belong to us as individuals.

True is true after all

 

[Copernicus]

The Trump Bibles are, of course, manufactured in China. He charges about $60 apiece for them, whereas similar Bibles without the government documents sell for about $20. In what appears to be a cost-saving measure, Oklahoma has amended their Bible specification to allow for the purchase of other Bibles. Oklahoma plans to buy 55,000 of these Bibles, so not buying them at all would be an even larger cost saving. Walters says that the government documents could be included or not included, but schools will still need to provide both. So I'm guessing that they could still buy the Trump Bibles and that this move is just designed to blunt criticisms of his embarrassingly obvious partisan requirement to buy them.

Oklahoma amends request for Bibles that initially appeared to match only version backed by Trump​

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump’s Bibles are made in China.
“Make China Great Again “?