Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
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Oklahoma schools in revolt over Bible mandate
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Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
For those interested in more details and background on the Trump bibles, see:
Never before has a candidate for office turned his campaigns and time in office to more personal financial benefit than now. Everything he does is transactional. Everything is for sale.
Trump is a critic of China's trade practices. His "God Bless the USA" Bibles were printed there.
Never before has a candidate for office turned his campaigns and time in office to more personal financial benefit than now. Everything he does is transactional. Everything is for sale.
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
Which aspect of the practices is he critical over? We know his bibles were printed there, and it's evident it involves some financial gain between the parties involved, Lee Greenwood being one of them. He's the "Proud to be an American" musician.
Is everything for sale? Really? I will burden you with Hitchen's razer on that one.
Your statements are true otherwise. I mean mostly. I'll need to burden you with Hichens razer on the never before statement, also .. as it relates to candidates acquiring financial gain while running for office, specifically.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
A good overview of Trump's criticisms of China can be found in this archived White House document from the trump years: TRUMP ON CHINA PUTTING AMERICA FIRST. We are not disputing that the bibles were printed in China or that he stands to gain financially from their sale. Lee Greenwood is indeed a Trump supporter, but so what? Bruce Springsteen is a Harris supporter. He's the "Born in the USA" musician. If we are going to do a competitive bake-off of musician support for Trump and Harris, Trump will lose that competition.
Hitchen's Razor is a reasonable argument. Well, I cannot give you all of the details behind my belief in that everything is for sale with Donald Trump in a social media post, but I would refer you to an excellent book on the subject by Donald Trump's niece, Mary L Trump: Too Much and Never Enough. That was the first place I came across this notion that everything with Donald Trump is transactional, but she says that the attitude extended to their whole family. Others have leveled this criticism at him, but she is probably his most prominent critic in this regard. See, also, this article about her criticism:
‘Every Single Relation In My Family… Is Transactional,’ Says Donald Trump’s Niece
In case it hasn't been mentioned yet....
'OK has amended its Bible specifications
so that the Trump Bible isn't the only one
meeting them.
I guess that after getting caught, they
decided to be a wee bit less corrupt.
'OK has amended its Bible specifications
so that the Trump Bible isn't the only one
meeting them.
I guess that after getting caught, they
decided to be a wee bit less corrupt.
Oklahoma amends its requirements so the ‘Trump Bible’ isn’t the only one meeting the criteria for classrooms
OK will spend millions to teach the Bible.
But their education of students ranks
49th out of 50 states.
OK kids can't do math, but they'll be able
to recite the 10 Commandments....even
if they can't spell the words.
oef.org
Excerpted...
Make America Dumb Again
But their education of students ranks
49th out of 50 states.
OK kids can't do math, but they'll be able
to recite the 10 Commandments....even
if they can't spell the words.
Oklahoma Ranks 49th in Education, According to 2024 Kids Count Report | Oklahoma Engineering Foundation
Oklahoma Ranks 49th in Education, according to a 2024 Kids Count Report from the Annie E. Casey Foundation.
oef.org
84% of 8th Graders Not Proficient in Math
In Oklahoma, nearly 6 in 10 young children from ages 3 to 4 were not in school, and 20% of high school students did not graduate on time. Over 75% of fourth graders were not proficient in reading and 84% of eighth graders were not proficient in math. These figures exceed the national trend. Moreover, they show a 10% decline over 2019, when 74% of eighth graders were determined not proficient in math. In addition, nearly 35 percent of children live in single-parent families.Make America Dumb Again
Pogo
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Pogo
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That is because they didn't have their Bibles to prove that pi = 3OK will spend millions to teach the Bible.
But their education of students ranks
49th out of 50 states.
OK kids can't do math, but they'll be able
to recite the 10 Commandments....even
if they can't spell the words.
Excerpted...Oklahoma Ranks 49th in Education, According to 2024 Kids Count Report | Oklahoma Engineering Foundation
Oklahoma Ranks 49th in Education, according to a 2024 Kids Count Report from the Annie E. Casey Foundation.
84% of 8th Graders Not Proficient in Math
In Oklahoma, nearly 6 in 10 young children from ages 3 to 4 were not in school, and 20% of high school students did not graduate on time. Over 75% of fourth graders were not proficient in reading and 84% of eighth graders were not proficient in math. These figures exceed the national trend. Moreover, they show a 10% decline over 2019, when 74% of eighth graders were determined not proficient in math. In addition, nearly 35 percent of children live in single-parent families.
Make America Dumb Again
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
Lee Greenwood (if I'm not mistaken) is in partnership in this effort pertaining to this particular bible, otherwise I wouldn't have brought him up.
Is it such a bad thing to increase revenue?
"increase revenue"? What do you mean by that? Increase what revenue for who?
If you mean having the government take money from tax payers and give it to Donald Trump to increase his revenue, then yes, that is a bad thing.
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
They have included other bibles as acceptable, but Trumps are still able to be utilized, if they choose to. The revenue I'm presuming will be shared between participating parties and even if a single copy of Trumps preferred bible isn't utilized in the schools, those who have partnered for the effort will still increase revenue from bible sales. Even if the SC (Supreme Court) doesn't pass the bill when it gets there, they will still make money.
Yes...when OK kids are among the dumbest in
the nation, & taxpayer money is taken from real
education to buy Bibles, & time is take from real
education to study those Bibles.
Heyo
Veteran Member
It starts with reading comprehension and maths, but down that slippery slope comes critical thinking. And you know what people do who are capable of that? They vote democrat.OK will spend millions to teach the Bible.
But their education of students ranks
49th out of 50 states.
OK kids can't do math, but they'll be able
to recite the 10 Commandments....even
if they can't spell the words.
Excerpted...Oklahoma Ranks 49th in Education, According to 2024 Kids Count Report | Oklahoma Engineering Foundation
Oklahoma Ranks 49th in Education, according to a 2024 Kids Count Report from the Annie E. Casey Foundation.
84% of 8th Graders Not Proficient in Math
In Oklahoma, nearly 6 in 10 young children from ages 3 to 4 were not in school, and 20% of high school students did not graduate on time. Over 75% of fourth graders were not proficient in reading and 84% of eighth graders were not proficient in math. These figures exceed the national trend. Moreover, they show a 10% decline over 2019, when 74% of eighth graders were determined not proficient in math. In addition, nearly 35 percent of children live in single-parent families.
Make America Dumb Again
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
The bible must be the most overrated single piece of historic literature in all the world. It's fine by me. I honestly don't care. They're still going to make money. Taxpayer money, too. It's inevitable. You're right, it's a federal issue. The bible doesn't need belong in the schools. The kids can learn about how it has influenced the arts, music, theater, this nation's political dynamic for centuries on end at home or in church, and we don't need any sort of religious inclusion to be pioneered by anyone, especially Christians. We don't need to learn how to address foreign nations in the future. I mean we don't need to prep them young. They can catch up at the University, along with learning how the bible and other religious texts played a role in world government. Our kids are ready for this. The next few years, I mean.
Yup, they are ready for this one.... Sure enough
I have a butter knife to cut through it if you need it.
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The "S" is not to show my smile. I'm sure you noticed it in my avatar.
What's this world coming to?
We could just fight about it. I'm feeling froggy, anyway.
I still remember Kosovo, Yugoslavia, Croatia, I read about the IRA and the struggles in Ireland, and I've witnessed Israel, Palestine, Iran, Iraq conflicts etc. on T.V. my entire life.
Religion isn't important to anyone anymore, man.
We're a secular nation.
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Argentbear
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Yep kids are always ready for religious indoctrination
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
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It's not inevitable.
It should be fought.
They don't need to know how it influenced anything.
But if they're to be taught it, then it should include
the negatives, eg, religious wars, slavery, oppression,
Manifest Destiny. Of course, the people who want
the Bible taught want only positive views.
Trying to be....but with resistance & subversion.
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
Who else is going to buy one?
Along with every other historic relevancy along those same lines. History is history, world government is world government, and politics is politics. Most of us are in this life as minor pawns. We're not even the major ones, and this is typically due to lack of education and ability, not to mention the biases that prevent us from being anything close to resembling power players. Sometimes it isn't even about the money, but the status, and people just don't get to that post pawn status by being ignorant to other cultures and how they operate.
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It would be great if no one bought one.
But if one does buy it, they should use
personal money, not taxpayer money.
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
I'm sure you're aware of my insinuation. Bibles aren't food and money typically comes with taxation.