Olaf Scholz: the NATO will not be part of the Ukrainian War

[Altfish]

I voted for Brexit.

Had literally **** all to do with Russia.

When the Russia Report is published un redacted and Lebedev is removed from the Lords and Johnson tells us where he was that weekend he met the Russian delegate, I may believe you.

 

[Altfish]

You are confusing EU with NATO. Finland recently joined the NATO because of this fear you said.
Norway is not in the EU. Only in the NATO.

I'm not. UK is still in NATO (or was last time I checked)

 

[Rival]

When the Russia Report is published un redacted and Lebedev is removed from the Lords and Johnson tells us where he was that weekend he met the Russian delegate, I may believe you.

Dude, how dare you.

I voted based on what I saw around me LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

I lived in a Northern **** hole.

I voted based on that, thank you.

As if everyone who voted for Brexit is somehow manipulated and only the pure Brits who aren't vile lowlives voted for Remain.

Give me a break.

 

[Revoltingest]

My grandpa flew B-17s during WW2 against Germany and I'm sure it didn't feel very "superfluous" to him when his buddies were being shot down all around him

I too knew many who fought in that war.
They lost many comrades.

 

[Altfish]

Dude, how dare you.

I voted based on what I saw around me LIKE EVRYONE ELSE.

I lived in a Northern **** hole.

I voted based on that, thank you.

As if everyone who voted for Brexit is somehow manipulated and only the pure Brits who aren't vile lowlives voted for Remain.

Give me a break.

Look, I didn't say everyone who voted Brexit was influenced by Russia; but in a close vote money makes a difference and maybe 10% changed their mind and that swung the vote.
It's like saying all Brexit voters were racist; they were not. BUT all racists voted Brexit.

How's Brexit working out for you. Is your Norther ****hole improving by the minute?

 

[Rival]

Look, I didn't say everyone who voted Brexit was influenced by Russia; but in a close vote money makes a difference and maybe 10% changed their mind and that swung the vote.
It's like saying all Brexit voters were racist; they were not. BUT all racists voted Brexit.

How's Brexit working out for you. Is your Norther ****hole improving by the minute?

I don't know because I've moved to Kent for university.

Brexit wasn't what I expected, no, but it's been years now and I've moved on.

I'm not even voting in the next election. I'm not sure I could vote for either party.

And hopefully staying here in Kent

 

[Stevicus]

And did nothing meaningful against the US thereafter.

Perhaps not. They were still bogged down in Europe and North Africa and had no real fleet or projection power - other than U-Boats. They had no aircraft carriers, and it was very late (too late) before they developed an aircraft with the range to bomb U.S. mainland targets (never used).

 

[Altfish]

I don't know because I've moved to Kent for university.

Brexit wasn't what I expected, no, but it's been years now and I've moved on.

I'm not even voting in the next election. I'm not sure I could vote for either party.

And hopefully staying here in Kent

I will never move on from Brexit, we were lied to and promised the world, we got nothing.


I don't vote for any party BUT I do vote against a party. This year I'll be voting for the party most likely to beat the Tories.
In my area, in a General Election, that is Labour. In the local elections it is Lib Dem.

 

[oldbadger]

Should USA have let England fight
with the Nazis unassisted?
..............

The USA did..... For 2+ years.

 

[Stevicus]

The USA did..... For 2+ years.

Well, there was Lend-Lease.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Look, I didn't say everyone who voted Brexit was influenced by Russia; but in a close vote money makes a difference and maybe 10% changed their mind and that swung the vote.

Anecdotally, practically every Brexit voter I spoke to cited this little gem as one of their main reasons for voting for it:

£350m Brexit claim was 'too low', says Boris Johnson

Boris Johnson says the much disputed sum - promised to the NHS - was "grossly underestimated".

www.bbc.co.uk

For the uninitiated, this bus went around the country, claiming we gave £350m a week to the EU, and implied that - were we to leave - we would put that money towards the NHS. Of course, both claims were false. And, of course, within hours of the vote passing, Brexit campaigners were already on TV stating in no uncertain terms that the "£350m a week going to the NHS" claim was never one of their official policies, and was not going to happen.

Disgusting, vile, awful liars, the lot of them.

Sorry for the off-topic post, but had to vent about that after all these years.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I voted based on what I saw around me LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

No. I get how this sentiment makes you feel better about the horrible mess of Brexit and the embarrassment that came from voting for it, but some of us actually voted based on logic, reason and evidence rather than personal ignorance and bias; the people who voted against it. Don't put us all in your basket.

 

[Rival]

No. I get how this sentiment makes you feel better about the horrible mess of Brexit and the embarrassment that came from voting for it, but some of us actually voted based on logic, reason and evidence rather than personal ignorance and bias; the people who voted against it. Don't put us all in your basket.

Err, as If I didn't use reason, logic and evidence.

I hate this suggestion that if I had all those things I would have vote Remain.

The world happens to be bigger that that, opinions more diverse.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Err, as If I didn't use reason, logic and evidence.

You admitted you voted based on personal bias.

Also, I live in one of those "Northern **** holes" you dislike so much, and yet I had the foresight to not vote for it. Where does that leave you?

I hate this suggestion that if I had all those things I would have vote Remain.

You would have, though.

The world happens to be bigger that that, opinions more diverse.

I agree. Many people are easily swayed by bias and lies.

 

[Rival]

You would have, though.

Wow.

And you accuse me of bias.

Thanks for outing yourself.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Wow.

And you accuse me of bias.

Thanks for outing yourself.

It's biased to understand how reason and evidence should lead you to one conclusion over another?

Not a fan of science, I guess.

Keep coping. You were duped into voting for a lie that has crippled this country, and all the promises that were made to you - promises that, at the time, people were telling you were delusions - have evaporated into thin air.

 

[Rival]

It's biased to understand how reason and evidence should lead you to one conclusion over another?

Not a fan of science, I guess.

Wow, your arguments become worse and worse.

I guess you voted Remain based on wanting to go on foreign holidays and not wanting to use a visa and being cosmo and urbane and liberal.

Or have I just made up a bunch of bull**** to strawman you with?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Wow, your arguments become worse and worse.

I guess you voted Remain based on wanting to go on foreign holidays and not wanting to use a visa and being cosmo and urbane and liberal.

Or have I just made up a bunch of bull**** to strawman you with?

Again, your effort is to put is all in the same basket. It's not going to work.

The fact is, almost everything the anti-Brexit crowd said was true, whereas virtually nothing of what the pro-Brexit crowd said was true. You can't draw an equivalence between people who were right and people who were wrong. And blaming it on being in a "Northern **** hole" doesn't ring true to me; an lifelong occupant of one of those particular "holes".

 

[Rival]

Again, your effort is to put is all in the same basket. It's not going to work.

The fact is, almost everything the anti-Brexit crowd said was true, whereas virtually nothing of what the pro-Brexit crowd said was true. You can't draw an equivalence between people who were right and people who were wrong.

As if the argument is that simple.

I'm done here. This is not the tread topic and you seem to use dishonest arguments.

 

[Altfish]

No. I get how this sentiment makes you feel better about the horrible mess of Brexit and the embarrassment that came from voting for it, but some of us actually voted based on logic, reason and evidence rather than personal ignorance and bias; the people who voted against it. Don't put us all in your basket.

It never ceases to amaze me that everyone who vote Leave is surprised and disappointed by what they got.
BUT everyone who voted Remain is getting exactly what they expected.