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On Evolution & Creation

Dimi95

Прaвославие!
If evolution was true we would still see it happening.
How?
Can you live a milion years?

Does anyone eyewitness one species turning into another? No!
Yes , certain methodologies witness that.
And that is not a merit btw.

Does fossils reveal evidence of one species turning into another? No!
Actually , they show the exact oposite ,

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You can't even get cream in your coffee without intelligent assistance, [[ one little step ]] If one little step can't happen without intelligent assistance
You think that is intelligent assistance?
Making cream on your coffee?


, How can you assume a million steps can happen in the total process of life?
No one is assuming nothing before they study it.
The number does not matter - what matters is the way you get to it.
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
If evolution was true we would still see it happening.

Does anyone eyewitness one species turning into another? No!

It has been observed many times. You are using a term that you do not properly understand. You are also trying to argue a strawman version of evolution. You are probably expecting a "change of kind" but that does not happen in evolution. Even new species is just a variation of the former one. You are still a variation on an ape. People are apes. There never was a time when we stopped being apes, in fact that would refute evolution.
Does fossils reveal evidence of one species turning into another? No!

Actually they do. You do not understand the concept of evidence either. Almost every fossil in existence today is recognized as a transitional species. Only a few very rare ones are not seen that way. For example the very rare, but existing fossils, of dinosaurs that died from the K-Pg asteroid strike. They would be better termed as "terminal fossils" they were the last of their line.
You can't even get cream in your coffee without intelligent assistance, [[ one little step ]] If one little step can't happen without intelligent assistance, How can you assume a million steps can happen in the total process of life?
That is an extremely pointless argument. You used something that you know needs thought behind it to try to refute a process that does not need a mind behind it. This is very poor reasoning on your part.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I don't have time to talk with you now, My boss is a gorilla, I'm going to meet with my grandfather the turtle and my grandmother the amoeba, and all my grasshopper cousins.
Oh look, you do not understand the science so you have to make another bad argument.

Are you willing to learn? If you do not like it when people point out how incredibly ignorant that you are you really should try to learn. I can help you and will be rather polite. If this was an unmoderated forum people would be openly laughing at you and calling names. I can see that you do not lack intelligence so I am making a very polite offer.
 

icant

Member
Do you expect accretion to have been constant through billions of years, though, @icant?

If so, why?
No.
That is why I gave such a wide period of time. But I am only talking about the last 5 miles of formation of the earth on top . Science says it only took 4 billion years to build the whole thing.

Enjoy,
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
No.
That is why I gave such a wide period of time. But I am only talking about the last 5 miles of formation of the earth on top . Science says it only took 4 billion years to build the whole thing.

Enjoy,
Yes, we have erosion of existing rocks and deposition. Do you not realize that erosion is a very real thing? Chemical weathering and erosion turns solid rock into sediments. None is needed from space.
 

icant

Member
Your figures don't take into account tectonic uplift.
The plates of the continents bashing into each other is that what you are talking about?
All they do is rearrange the landscape.
The deepest oil well is in Russia at 7.57 miles deep. Oil is where ever you find it.

Enjoy,
 

icant

Member
Yes, we have erosion of existing rocks and deposition. Do you not realize that erosion is a very real thing? Chemical weathering and erosion turns solid rock into sediments. None is needed from space.
All erosion does is re-arrange what is already available.

Enjoy,
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The plates of the continents bashing into each other is that what you are talking about?
All they do is rearrange the landscape.
The deepest oil well is in Russia at 7.57 miles deep. Oil is where ever you find it.

Enjoy,
No, oil needs some sort of physical trap to allow it to collect. If the sediments remained as flat as they were laid down there would be no way for enough oil to gather to be And yes, the crust has gotten very deep, especially in mountainous areas over the ages. Remember that the curst is "floating" on the mantle. Tall mountains have deep roots.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
But this here is about Evolution.
We want you to reason yourself and do some study.
I am really bored to argue and to see how others do it.
Let's do different discussions with different questions.
How about that?
You don't want to know more about Science?

I am glad however that everything worked for you.
WE want me to reason? I have reasoned the matter out. I see the arguments pro evolution. I no longer believe them. And as a result of my Bible study I decide that -- evolution as that which is taught now is not true. Do I say that there are no inherited differences that are apparent among organisms, such as tribal characteristics? No. I do not say that. Genetics can transmit characteristics such as long or short limbs. But I also do not ascribe that to the general theory of evolution as it stands. By that I mean the idea that fish became or evolved to land dwelling creatures.
 

icant

Member
There never was nothing in Big Bang theories. And yes, the theory is very hard to understand fully for anyone. It has math far beyond my abilities. But trying to say something is false simply because you do not understand something is foolish. By that standard god does not exist. You refute your own basic beliefs when you reason that way.
The BBT is based on there being non-existence and all of a sudden the universe began to expand into the universe the universe we have today. You may like your version of the BBT but I don't know what you base it on.


The Big Bang Theory was formulated by Georges Lemaître, a Belgian astronomer and cosmologist.


He proposed that the universe began from a single, primeval “super-atom” that exploded, leading to the expansion of the universe. This idea was later popularized as the "Big Bang Theory.

That "super-atom" later received the nickname of the God Particle.

Then it became a pinpoint .

Do you guys know anything about what you are trying to argue, or does it just change every so often?

Enjoy,
 

icant

Member
That is only because you refuse to learn the basics of science. You have never been able to support your anti science claims. You don't even try.
You mean be brainwashed don't you?

Enjoy,
There is good evidence ─ of a standard satisfactory to science ─ that life existed on earth more than three billion years ago.

But thank you for your kind wish. May you enjoy too.
It could have been here a lot longer than that.

Enjoy,
 

Dimi95

Прaвославие!
WE want me to reason? I have reasoned the matter out. I see the arguments pro evolution. I no longer believe them. And as a result of my Bible study I decide that -- evolution as that which is taught now is not true.
I can say the otherwise.
By appoarching another interpretation of the Bible , which is not so litterate i can say that the Bible does not say much about Evolution , but tells much more about events in certain timelines.

Do I say that there are no inherited differences that are apparent among organisms, such as tribal characteristics?
So you choose what to accept?

No. I do not say that.
You don't have to , in this case is really irrelevant.

Genetics can transmit characteristics such as long or short limbs.But I also do not ascribe that to the general theory of evolution as it stands.
And you think that by one defition alone you can decide what is correct and what is not?

By that I mean the idea that fish became or evolved to land dwelling creatures.
The best clue is a gene all animals have inherited. This gene is called Sonic Hedgehog and it controls the development of fins, claws, hands, etc. Considering Fish are the oldest vertebrates, we know we must have inherited it from them.

Vertebrates are an animal of a large group distinguished by the possession of a backbone or spinal column.

That's it.
 
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