On Evolution & Creation

[TagliatelliMonster]

Look ! sure evolution could be involved in lower forms of life but that does Not mean including human life

The special pleading is noted.

Adam was formed or fashioned from the existing dust of the already existing ground - Gen. 2:7
So, where human life is concerned evolution is Not part of it

According to an ancient book of myths authored by scientifically ignorant people who believed the stars could fall from the sky.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I realize this to you will probably not answer the question, but from what I understand, it is humans (not monkeys) that conduct scientific experiments and in some cases test animals in cages.

Ow look, another "so what" argument.

Pointing out the differences between humans and monkey's has no relevancy at all to the genetic fact that both share common ancestors millions of years ago.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What's a "lower form of life?"

An expression demonstrating a species of narcissism.

"we are so special"

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Aside from the fact that I agree with the unfolding of events (although not as some would make it) in the Genesis account as well as explanations that make sense to me, I have seriously come to question the statements claimed by scientists in many respects.

Which is a strange thing to say, since every time you post on the topic, you demonstrate that you actually don't have a clue what "statements claimed by scientists" are or even mean.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

For one thing, I did not have any explanation of the Bible until I accepted a Bible study. It was a struggle to get me to that point. I wouldn't say I disbelieved in the Bible before that, I just did not understand it and my birth religion (Judaism) did not explain it to me although they celebrated certain holidays and had certain customs. But in general we did not read the Torah and subsequent writings held to be scripture prior to the appearance of Jesus. (P.S. I did not become an atheist until I went to college and saw all the different religions, all in contrast to the other, as I saw it. So I figured God must not exist since it didn't make sense to me.)

You still haven't answered his question.

Why do you keep dancing around it?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

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According to an ancient book of myths authored by scientifically ignorant people who believed the stars could fall from the sky.

What ancient book, where ___________ Not the Bible because Earth is permanent - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B; Psalm 104:5
Even in English we speak of performers as *stars* and some as fallen stars, Not literal falling stars

 

[URAVIP2ME]

......................................, you demonstrate that you actually don't have a clue what "statements claimed by scientists" are or even mean.

We do know that science statements are: Not the teacher or morality. Morality does Not evolve from evolution
Sure scientists have college or universities degrees, but look what state of affairs such higher education has brought to the world

 

[Hooded_Crow]

We do know that science statements are: Not the teacher or morality. Morality does Not evolve from evolution
Sure scientists have college or universities degrees, but look what state of affairs such higher education has brought to the world

Read the works of Marc Bekoff. A good starting point is 'Wild Justice - The Moral Lives of Animals'.
Edit: Wild Justice

 

[Valjean]

We do know that science statements are: Not the teacher or morality. Morality does Not evolve from evolution
Sure scientists have college or universities degrees, but look what state of affairs such higher education has brought to the world

...when the knowledge is used by politicians for destructive ends.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What ancient book, where ___________ Not the Bible because Earth is permanent - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B; Psalm 104:5
Even in English we speak of performers as *stars* and some as fallen stars, Not literal falling stars

The OT is pretty ancient. No matter how you try to spin it in rather absurd ways.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

We do know that science statements are: Not the teacher or morality. Morality does Not evolve from evolution

Que?
I have no idea what your point is. It smells a bit like a moving of the goalpost.

Sure scientists have college or universities degrees, but look what state of affairs such higher education has brought to the world

You mean a highly technological society, a tripled life expectancy, a home with central heating, a home powered through an electricity grid spanning the country,... what?

Did you prefer ancient times where children were lucky to live past the age of 5 or where they performed an exorcism on you when you suffered from epilepsies or drilled a hole in your head to "let the bad spirits out" when you were sick?

 

[Valjean]

We do know that science statements are: Not the teacher or morality. Morality does Not evolve from evolution
Sure scientists have college or universities degrees, but look what state of affairs such higher education has brought to the world

Nature selects useful traits and increases their incidence in populations; anatomical traits, physiological traits, social traits, psychological traits. What would preclude the mechanism that selected for an upright posture from also selecting for coöperation and altruism?

It's perhaps unfortunate that 99% of our evolutionary history selected for the small-band, tribal lifestyles and psychology that now create the tribal conflicts that are so destructive in our supra-Dunbar societies.

Higher education has brought understanding and technology to the world. It's not knowledge, per se that's problematic, it's its application.
Knowledge of iron smelting can be applied to the creation of both swords or plowshares.

It's those with the higher education that can design effective programs and techniques. It's they who see and warn about long term consequences. It's the uneducated who consistently ignore them and adopt ineffective programs or opt for short term solutions with future blowback.

Dunbar's number: Why we can only maintain 150 relationships

The theory of Dunbar’s number holds that we can only really maintain about 150 connections at once. But is the rule true in today’s world of social media?

www.bbc.com

 

[blü 2]

We do know that science statements are: Not the teacher or morality.

Not as such. But if you want to understand morality, then you need reasoned enquiry, including science not books about supernatural entities.

And certainly not the morality of the bible ─ a God who likes human sacrifice, slavery, subservience of women, invasive war, massacre of surrendered populations, murder of [his] critics and more.

Morality does Not evolve from evolution

Human morality has two sources. The part directly due to evolution means that all humans are born with dislike of the one who harms, like of fairness and reciprocity, respect for authority, loyalty to the group, and a sense of self-worth through self-denial. (I gave an outline of one of the experiments here >Atheists acknowledging historical Jesus' goodness<, which I trust you'll be interested to read.)

(You'll notice that those moral tendencies make social living possible, humans being gregarious by nature and benefiting greatly from being ablt to act cooperatively.)

The other source of morality is learnt behavior and deals principally but not solely on how to interact with other people (family, friends, strangers, people above and below you in the peck order, the opposite sex (or as the case may be), authority figures, how to dine in public, the rules of excretion, and so on.

Sure scientists have college or universities degrees, but look what state of affairs such higher education has brought to the world

You mean things like computers and the internet that make this conversation possible? Modern medicine? Mars rovers?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Read the works of Marc Bekoff. A good starting point is 'Wild Justice - The Moral Lives of Animals'.
Edit: Wild Justice

What animal apologizes for taking the food of another ___________
Animal go by instinct that is why some, not all, mate for life

If human evolution is reality then why is there moral degression instead of evolvement in morality

 

[URAVIP2ME]

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And certainly not the morality of the bible ─...............................................................................
Human morality has two sources. The part directly due to evolution means that all humans are born with dislike of the one who harms, like of fairness and reciprocity, respect for authority, loyalty to the group, and a sense of self-worth through self-denial. (I gave an outline of one of the experiments here >Atheists acknowledging historical Jesus' goodness<, which I trust you'll be interested to read.)
(You'll notice that those moral tendencies make social living possible, humans being gregarious by nature and benefiting greatly from being ablt to act cooperatively.)
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You mean things like computers and the internet that make this conversation possible? Modern medicine? Mars rovers?

Why Not the Decalogue aka 10 Commandments
Why Not the Golden Rule of Leviticus 19:18
Why Not Jesus' New Commandment of John 13:34-35

Yes. atheists do acknowledge Jesus' goodness. One atheist told me he was reading the Bible through for the 'second' time
But what atheist goes around telling people about the good news of God's kingdom as Jesus did - Luke 4:43; Matt. 24:14; Acts 1:8

The evening NEWS shows people Not acting cooperatively. Many on-going complaints about the same problems Not being handled
The Porn Industry grows each year. How many divorces include porn __________

Computers seem to be a two-edged sword. For all the good there is cyber bad
Modern medicine has caused controversy
Mars Rovers have Not helped starving people

 

[URAVIP2ME]

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It's those with the higher education that can design effective programs and techniques. It's they who see and warn about long term consequences. It's the uneducated who consistently ignore them and adopt ineffective programs or opt for short term solutions with future blowback.

Bingo ! Yes, higher education can design effective programs....... but the World Leaders, who are all higher educated, and look what they have used have brought to the world. ' Iron ' (world leaders) and ' clay ' (the subjects) don't mix
This is why the huge political statue of Daniel chapter 2 has feet mixed of both iron and clay not being able to hold things together
However, the unstable statue will Not collapse on its own. The figurative 'stone' God's Kingdom will bring it down

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You mean a highly technological society, a tripled life expectancy, a home with central heating, a home powered through an electricity grid spanning the country,... what?
Did you prefer ancient times where children were lucky to live past the age of 5 or where they performed an exorcism on you when you suffered from epilepsies or drilled a hole in your head to "let the bad spirits out" when you were sick?

I'm speaking about current news events
Technology is a two-edged sword
World NEWS is grim (aka wars) with No solution.
Sure, the powers in charge can be saying, " Peace and Security...." but those rosy-sounding words can fool people leading them down that old primrose path Not to safety, but to great tribulation

 

[firedragon]

Evolving processes do not necessarily require an artist or creator.

Yep, but to evolve life has to be given. How did life emerge? If you believe in abiogenesis, how did abiogenesis take place?

 

[Valjean]

What animal apologizes for taking the food of another ___________
Animal go by instinct that is why some, not all, mate for life

If human evolution is reality then why is there moral degression instead of evolvement in morality

We invented agriculture and animal husbandry. We abandoned the small-band, hunter-gatherer lifestyle we evolved with, and settled in permanent communities where wealth and possessions could accumulate and be stored. We developed a division of labor, specialization, and a social hierarchy. Our psychology and social patterns did not evolve to deal with these novel developments.

Moral digression? What is morality based on, in your opinion?

 

[Valjean]

Bingo ! Yes, higher education can design effective programs....... but the World Leaders, who are all higher educated, and look what they have used have brought to the world. ' Iron ' (world leaders) and ' clay ' (the subjects) don't mix
This is why the huge political statue of Daniel chapter 2 has feet mixed of both iron and clay not being able to hold things together
However, the unstable statue will Not collapse on its own. The figurative 'stone' God's Kingdom will bring it down

The world leaders tend not to be educated in the requisite subjects. How many have degrees in sociology, history, psychology, anthropology, or economics?