"On this Rock I will build my church"

[Ben Avraham]

Metaphorically. Like what Vigin on earth could give birth to the entire Israelite nation ever to set foot upon the earth? The prophecy was a metaphor and the path went to Judah, Jesus came from Judah and was the embodiment of the metaphor, literally It's a double prophecy. Isaiah made the prophecy, the Jews confirmed the prophecy, then Jesus fulfilled the prophecy.

If you show me anywhere in the Tanach a prophecy which Jesus fulfilled as an individual, I'll become a Christian.

 

[Ben Avraham]

No, I mean the Lord of the old testament. I hadn't drawn to connection between that Lord and Jesus yet. The Lord of the Old testament greater than all the Israelites put together?

You can never compare God with man. That's totally impossible to figure. (Isaiah 46:5)

 

[Kemosloby]

If you show me anywhere in the Tanach a prophecy which Jesus fulfilled as an individual, I'll become a Christian.

The one about being born of a Virgin.

 

[Kemosloby]

You can never compare God with man. That's totally impossible to figure. (Isaiah 46:5)

You can compare God with a rock or a piece of incense, why not man. He says: which is greater the Altar or the one who sanctifies the Altar. The temple or the one who sanctifies the Temple, The throne or the one who sits on the throne, etc. I mean it in that way. The Jews or the Lord of the Jews?

 

[Ben Avraham]

What tribe was Mary from?

The only reference ever close to a Tribe for Mary to have come from is quoted in Luke 1:5, 36. The Tribe of Levi for having Mary been a cousin of Elizabeth from the daughters of Aaron, the Levite. But if you are looking for something to help in the case of Jesus, it would not help even if Mary was a daughter of King David. The Tribal lineage was inherited only through the father. The only solution for Jesus was Joseph.

 

[COGTHW]

You can never compare God with man. That's totally impossible to figure. (Isaiah 46:5)

You need to read more ; Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Philippians 2:6

 

[Ben Avraham]

You can compare God with a rock or a piece of incense, why not man. He says: which is greater the Altar or the one who sanctifies the Altar. The temple or the one who sanctifies the Temple, The throne or the one who sits on the throne, etc. I mean it in that way. The Jews or the Lord of the Jews?

Only in a dream or vision, or allegory or parable, God can been seen as a Rock, or as a man or as a eagle; but only by the dreamer or the one experiencing a vision

 

[Ben Avraham]

You need to read more ; Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Philippians 2:6

That's the problem. God does not have a form. Jesus himself said that God is a Spirit. (John 4:24) Spirits are incorporeal. Something must be corporeal to reveal a form.

 

[Kemosloby]

Only in a dream or vision, or allegory or parable, God can been seen as a Rock, or as a man or as a eagle; but only by the dreamer or the one experiencing a vision

If God could speak to Moses out of a bush, why not out of a man?

 

[COGTHW]

That's the problem. God does not have a form. Jesus himself said that God is a Spirit. (John 4:24) Spirits are incorporeal. Something must be corporeal to reveal a form.

You truly limit God. You denying the very book you read from. 'And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.' Exodus 34:5 OUT OF YOUR BOOK.!!!

 

[Ben Avraham]

The one about being born of a Virgin.

You don't even know the text. Isaiah identified the child born of the virgin as being Judah if you read Isaiah 8:8. Nothing to do with Jesus. Do you think I would compromise myself stupidly?

 

[Kemosloby]

You don't even know the text. Isaiah identified the child born of the virgin as being Judah if you read Isaiah 8:8. Nothing to do with Jesus. Do you think I would compromise myself stupidly?

I say it's both, but which is greater. Judah or the Lord? Does anyone call Judah, Mighty God?

 

[Ben Avraham]

You truly limit God. You denying the very book you read from. 'And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.' Exodus 34:5 OUT OF YOUR BOOK.!!!

The Lord was in the cloud that came down to Moses, but the Lord was not the cloud. Therefore, nothing to do with form as HaShem is concerned. Gogthw, there is no form or image to be seen in HaShem. Read Deuteronomy 4:15,16.

 

[COGTHW]

You don't even know the text. Isaiah identified the child born of the virgin as being Judah if you read Isaiah 8:8. Nothing to do with Jesus. Do you think I would compromise myself stupidly?

You have you said God has no form. Your book say my Father can TAKE ANY FORM.!!

 

[Kemosloby]

The Lord was in the cloud that came down to Moses, but the Lord was not the cloud. Therefore, nothing to do with form as HaShem is concerned. Gogthw, there is no form or image to be seen in HaShem. Read Deuteronomy 4:15,16.

It just says there was no form on that day.

 

[COGTHW]

The Lord was in the cloud that came down to Moses, but the Lord was not the cloud. Therefore, nothing to do with form as HaShem is concerned. Gogthw, there is no form or image to be seen in HaShem. Read Deuteronomy 4:15,16.

1 Timothy 3:16 16 'And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.' You can deny all day but scriptures have you beat.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I say it's both, but which is greater. Judah or the Lord? Does anyone call Judah, Mighty God?

Yes, the Gentiles transferred from Assyria to Samaria on the way they met the Jews returning from exile in Babylon. Read Isaiah 9:1-6. That was a prophecy of Isaiah about the welcome ovation given by the Gentiles of Galilee to the Jews in their way back to the Land of Israel. You know how pagans are. They used of euphemism with the Jews as if they were gods themselves.

 

[Kemosloby]

Yes, the Gentiles transferred from Assyria to Samaria on the way they met the Jews returning from exile in Babylon. Read Isaiah 9:1-6. That was a prophecy of Isaiah about the welcome ovation given by the Gentiles of Galilee to the Jews in their way back to the Land of Israel. You know how pagans are. They used of euphemism with the Jews as if they were gods themselves.

They didn't call them Mighty God though. But the Gentiles call Jesus, Mighty God.

 

[Ben Avraham]

1 Timothy 3:16 16 'And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.' You can deny all day but scriptures have you beat.

There is a big difference here. I am using the gospel of Jesus which was the Tanach and you are using the gospel of Paul which was the NT. The god of the NT is Greek. So much so that the Greek doctrine of the demigod is quoted in Mat. 1:18. Demigod is the son of a god with an earthly woman.

 

[COGTHW]

I can use the OT also. Which I have, your no win over here bible proves you wrong again and again.