Only atheists

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It's all about who you thank. You say god delivers you, I say the ship captain did a good job. I think thanking god virtually always takes credit from those who really deserve it.

Growing up my parents used to always say I should thank god for the opportunities I've been given. But how is that fair to my parents, their parents or all the people over the years who have worked to make my world what it is?

I think most people like the comfort the notion of god gives. I understand that. But I think there is also a cost associated with that faith. The pious give god the glory and undermine true accomplishment.

Take a look at farmers

Without help of Sun lightning water wind soil cloud they can't reap what they sow.
So when parents say thank god they consider these things too.

But according to our traditions ''if u don't thank folk u will never thank god''.

We look at people and other things as tools since all of them are powered by a supreme

 

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Most monotheists do believe God can appear them in form, and I'd say an even greater proportion think that one can experience God's presence in a formless manner.

U mean Muslims?

 

[Kirran]

U mean Muslims?

I said monotheists, I mean all monotheists.

 

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I said monotheists, I mean all monotheists.

U mean u counted Christians and jews too

 

[Kirran]

U mean u counted Christians and jews too

Muslims, Christians, Jews, Sikhs, monotheistic Hindus, Rastafari, Baha'i and monotheists of other religions or of none.

 

[LuisDantas]

Although I haven't read those links but please notice that in the time of prophet muhammad pbuh maybe there wasn't any atheists or at least very very rare . Most were polytheists and some monotheists.

That sounds extremely unlikely. Atheism is as natural a stance as they come.

To elaborate: I strongly suspect that emphatic theism is in many significant senses an innovation, an aberration even.

I vividly remember growing up in a mostly Catholic household and eventually realizing that all that talk about the Bible, Jesus and God was taken so seriously by some people and that it was somehow very importante for some that it was believed in as in some sense "true".

That shocked me considerably, because it seemed to absurd. The scriptures were quite clearly meant to be taken as allegory, as fables even, no more worth of serious consideration than any other tale that illustrates a moral or value.

I just can't think of any reason why my situation would be all that rare, in the past, present or future. I do however know that there are currently many people who try hard to deny our very existence. I assume it wasn't that big a deal back in the day, when I suspect it was very common to take scriptures as allegories for social bonding. As it is still very common in certain places.

But I wanna say something else
Maybe atheists deny divine gods or any god but I know some of them believe in something that created this universe although they don't call it god.

Most of us don't even go through the trouble of denying anything. We just don't see a point to believing in a deity. It is not a natural tendency for us.

What you are describing might be pantheism or even deism. For practical purposes that may well be close to atheism, but it is not atheism.

For example they say he or it or she created this world but it wasn't like that from the beginning , evolution changed everything and stuff like this.

So I wanted to examine their deep sense of supreme power

Whose? I am just not sure who you are talking about with this "deep sense of supreme power".

In all honesty, you seem to insist on denying the reality and validity of atheism out of your convenience alone.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Hi
العنكبوت
فَإِذَا رَكِبُوا فِي الْفُلْكِ دَعَوُا اللَّهَ مُخْلِصِينَ لَهُ الدِّينَ فَلَمَّا نَجَّاهُمْ إِلَى الْبَرِّ إِذَا هُمْ يُشْرِكُونَ
And when they board a ship, they supplicate Allah, sincere to Him in religion. But when He delivers them to the land, at once they associate others with Him (65)


Have u ever had this experience in your life? Both positive and negative answers are appreciated.

Note: ship here means dire situation


Thanks in advance

Fear often makes people more irrational.

 

[Laika]

When u prayed who was your addressee???

My unconscious mainly. Or else "any of the above"- a Christian God purely by habit. It was just finding some part of me that could get me through. My atheism is emotionally a little dishonest, but not as dishonest as it would be for me to try and be a theist. I could say the "right words" and pretend I believed but that's not actually the same as believing them. It's the part of my atheism that's never gone away.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes the most

So regardless of whether God is "immaterial", he would be capable of demonstrating his existence to humans, no?

 

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So regardless of whether God is "immaterial", he would be capable of demonstrating his existence to humans, no?

He would

 

[viole]

Hi
العنكبوت
فَإِذَا رَكِبُوا فِي الْفُلْكِ دَعَوُا اللَّهَ مُخْلِصِينَ لَهُ الدِّينَ فَلَمَّا نَجَّاهُمْ إِلَى الْبَرِّ إِذَا هُمْ يُشْرِكُونَ
And when they board a ship, they supplicate Allah, sincere to Him in religion. But when He delivers them to the land, at once they associate others with Him (65)


Have u ever had this experience in your life? Both positive and negative answers are appreciated.

Note: ship here means dire situation


Thanks in advance

Yes, in the past, when I was religious. But I do not remember having supplicated Allah.

I think I remember I supplicated Jesus.

Do you think He could have helped as well? Was that a sensible thing to do?

Ciao

- viole

 

[YmirGF]

He would

So, in the quest for world peace, why doesn't he book an hour with Oprah. I'm sure she would love to have him on her show.

 

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So, in the quest for world peace, why doesn't he book an hour with Oprah. I'm sure she would love to have him on her show.

I can't really get what u mean

U said regardless

 

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What would a pray out of desperation even show? Is it really much different from just wishing to survive?

Yes it it

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

He would

Okay. So God could reveal himself to @Animore (or anyone else) if he chose to do so... right?

 

[YmirGF]

I can't really get what u mean

U said regardless

You may not know.

Oprah is a huge celebrity. Sometimes she even has to go on a diet.
Millions of people watch her show.
If God appeared on her show... it would make headlines all over the entire WORLD.
If God appeared with President Hassan Rouhani on PressTV... it would be ignored...
as most thinking people would think something was fishy.

 

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Okay. So God could reveal himself to @Animore (or anyone else) if he chose to do so... right?

Yeah
But since he is immaterial human can see him by their hearts not eyes

 

[Iti oj]

Yes it it

How so? Why? And what would such a prayer as an airplane crashes would even show? What if it's not directed in particular? Like a generic cry for help?

 

[LuisDantas]

Yeah
But since he is immaterial human can see him by their hearts not eyes

Honest question: since God obviously chooses not to reveal himself to so many of us, how do you (or anyone else) know better than God?

 

[interminable]

You may not know.

Oprah is a huge celebrity. Sometimes she even has to go on a diet.
Millions of people watch her show.
If God appeared on her show... it would make headlines all over the entire WORLD.
If God appeared with President Hassan Rouhani on PressTV... it would be ignored...
as most thinking people would think something was fishy.

Sir
God is precious and actually there is no something better than him. He has all perfections so those who want to reach him should first believe in him then gradually or even for some pure people (in no time ) manifests himself so that they forget everything except him.
Gnostics say love of god will burn u and your identity.

Actually there is knowingly a cover between us and god.
He wanna test who persue his reason and which one his passion.